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whisker

Joined: 2012-09-28
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Posted On: 2012-11-02 05:52:29
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Killing on Behalf of Religion is it religious or political?

Down through history, there have been wars based on religious beliefs. People feel justified in killing those who they perceive have insulted their Prophet or are not "singing from the same hymn-sheet" as themselves. Straight away you see them in the streets armed with the flags of the "offending" nation, vowing vengeance. Is this a religious or political question?

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3 years 10 months ago

Extreme RELIGIOUS ANIMOSITY can become homicidal. In Ireland Protestants and Catholics were killing each other for decades! Christianity is the most divided religion in the world. Although Jesus abhorred violence and promoted UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, the vast majority of Christians never too his revolutionary philosophy seriously.
For centuries, Christian nations used COLONIALISM (a euphemism for land stealing) to take over foreign countries and treat the indigenous people like slaves. Millions of indigenous people were massacred in the name of God and Jesus. Racism is the driving force behind the injustices suffered by the indigenous people in many countries of the world.
What is the UN doing to remedy this DESPICABLE SITUATION?
Kind regards,
John Romer
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Reporter 3 years 10 months ago

Any sort of KILLING is bad & wrong.
But keep in mind that US & Israel have bombed civilians with 2000 LB Cluster Bombs from
20,000 Feet up, or firing Hell Fire Missiles into Peoples homes and businesses as US did
in Iraq or Israel is done in Gaza or they are doing in Afghanistan etc., killing 1-Million
Plus Iraqi Civilians alone. Now add to that People US has Killed in Afghanistan, Libya,
Syria using scam of ISIS, etc.
So we need to Stop the War Mongers in US/Israel to stop these Killings.

donmikel123 3 years 10 months ago

It is a shame that you said nothing about what these countries are killing their own
people in the name of religion. More people get killed everyday in these countries by
religious fundamentalists than are killed by bombs.

I am not from USA but i am from a country that idiots are killing everyday in the name
of Allah because of the promise of 72 virgins in the after life. If you are not one of
those, then be more objective and not write stereotypical.

Reporter 3 years 10 months ago

1st, what proof do you have that these Countries were killing their own People any more
than Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc. are killing their own People?

2nd, how is killing 1-Million Iraqi People and totally destroying that Country in any
way helping Iraqi people assuming supposedly Saddam Hussein was killing Iraqi People?

3rd, are you saying Russia has the right to Bomb and kill 1-Million+ People in Sweden by
just claiming that Swedish Government is killing Swedes?


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rmichael921


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Again, as in a question the other night, this question would appear to be a philosophical question. As well, to answer it in terms of current events in our society (American) and to do so within the reference of one's own lifetime historically, would lend a very short sited and somewhat erroneous answer. Further, to answer it without a definition of religion of some kind to frame the painting of the answer leaves the reader lost in his own thoughts doing as well as he can within his unique and limiting life experiences and education. Are you asking the question in terms of that awareness that the "founder(s)" of that religion had as thought or lived by him? Or of the religion that followed and was developed by his followers of centuries ago civilization, culture and knowledge? Or of what that religion has evolved into in the centuries, civilizations and awareness that have passed since? And there are similar thoughts and considerations over the use of the word "political."
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rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

I am also unsure as to whether the question in the title of the post. "Killing on Behalf
of Religion is it religious or political?" and " Is this a religious or political
question?" asked at the end of the post are asking the same thing. There seems to be a
real subtle transition from the beginning of the post to the end of it which I didn't
sense until I read and then reread everything written in the question and the responses
twice. I'm still not sure what or where to pinpoint ...cont...

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont... but I believe it is there delicately directing thoughts and answers, weighing them
down with the subjectivity brought on by the circumstances of our lives and which of "us"
is in power leading our lives and on which we rely to support us, that which gives us our
foundation creating the filters through which we view our world, our Ego or our Spirit...
that which is formed after our birth in reactions to the sounds, light, touch, voice
tones, (Ego) etc., ...cont...

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont. or that which has been described by many and taught by that variety of teachers who
then had a following of supporters whose efforts were directed at the continued teachings
of what became their Organization, our Soul, or Spirit. The Followers of the teachings,
or religion if you wish, became a political entity in its day to day practices as
individuals wanted to become a leader of the movement or gain some other position which
satisfied their own agenda as well. ..cont.

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont... as teaching what they understood and believed the founder's meaning, his
intent, his explanation of how and why the world had manifested in its current form. Some
personal motives contained compassion, forgiveness and a sincere desire to maintain the
integrity of the founder and the teachings and less ego based.. (Spirit), some were
motivated by power, social standing, greed, etc... (Ego). My teachers have all, at this
point in time, led me to the awareness that... cont...

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont... it is Ego that separates us from the Divine, God, each other, and contains the
attributes that through a variety of psychological mechanisms brings us to behave and
become a warrior based mentality, a mindset of scarcity and fear of being/having less or
not enough than "others" that requires the use of anything (violence being a most often
used device) to ensure that we have what we want that gives us value to our existence...
My awareness learned to this point in my life, ...cont...

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

shows me that it is Spirit that manifests inclusion, with the Divine, God, the world,
humanity, each other, etc., and contains the mechanisms that through another variety of
psychological mechanisms brings us to behave and become a member... of society, the world,
nature, humankind, the Divine.. of each other.

EDIT: I misused the above word, "warrior." My mind wandered. I meant to refer to "Fear"
which precedes so much of the negative behavior in any institution or person.

cont....

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

If you have studied History, of the world or of a subject like "religion(s)" which will
take you to the history of several continents and somewhere between five and ten thousand
years of man's development, you will find that as far as the "desert" or Abrahamic
religions they became just about the primary tool for conquering other countries that held
some important advantage that a power (government or other country - king or whatever -
wanted or "needed." In the case of ...cont...

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont... Islam, one of the more driving motivators was economics and it spent some effort
in its attempt to rectify the state of economics amongst its followers. Possibly more
than some others it was both a political and economic force as well as a spiritual Holy
Book. If not for Constantinople's desire to unite Eastern and Western Roman capitals and
make the Eastern Empire the ruling empire, Christianity might never have gotten of the
ground as we know it today. ...cont.

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont.... The Bible, not only the Holy Book of Christianity and a great Spiritual reference
source, also contains economic and political dicta. These are just two examples for the
purpose of this essay... My studies and life experience make it just not possible to
believe that a suicide bomber is thinking about the political ramifications as he presses
the trigger, but of the afterlife and all that means to him. I can't accept that he, in
that moment is a politically oriented person. cont..

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

The events and circumstances leading to that point, in my opinion, are far too many and
complicated for anyone out of that culture to declare one or the other way and just shows
the arrogance of that person, the self-centeredness and the narrow if not closed
mindedness of the ignorance of the dogma that has led his life. The case of
Constantinople, wow, is that a study of Ego and the use of Religion as a political tool!

So, you can answer your question either way, ..cont..

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

...cont... and can have sound arguments in their support. The suicide bomber, himself is
glorifying his belief, committed to God and all about Religion. The act itself, designed
and set up by others than just he, is all about the Politics of Arab society. So goes the
Constantinople story.

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont...
Your question at its base is one of an incomplete understanding of both religion and
politics. Too simplistic and as you see in the answers it is mainly the subjectivity of
the respondents argued.

I should maybe described it idealistic for that holds truth too. There is no getting
around the fact that war is a deeply intrinsic part of the human condition. And though
Religion(s) try to deal with it, all religions are run by human ego's, ....cont.

rmichael921 5 years 9 months ago

cont. but also is a deeply intrinsic part of the human condition. ( I speak of the
spiritual aspects of religion, those that individuals can hold and "belong" to no
organized or traditional organization.) So, for me whisker, I am wondering what it is you
are really wondering, wrestling with? What is the real question for which you are seeking
an answer? Or is it you are struggling to rationalize the diametrical opposition of the
values we Americans live by??? (Smiling as I ask!)

whisker 5 years 9 months ago

rmichael921! Let me just say, I think your response(s) is/are "over the top". In my
opinion, you are taking this far too seriously and analyzing it too much. Please leave it
at that.

rmichael921 3 years 10 months ago

I guess you already had your mind made up and weren't looking for a discussion. Were you
just looking for points or is that just a response from a narrow mind?


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mannan970


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5 years 10 months ago

if you killed someone for his religion , actually you had lost the opportunity to lead him to the right way ... for ever .
"the right way that you believe it is right but it is not always right."
as a result killing is bad. you can find better ways to tell people what is right and what is wrong about God and religions.
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whisker 5 years 10 months ago

Thank you, mannan970. Well said!


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mgmsatellite


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6 years 5 months ago

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mgmsatellite 6 years 5 months ago

By the way from the begining of time we have fought for something. All wars mostly have
something to do with human greed in some way or another. That 1% in some way make billions
on wars.

whisker 6 years 5 months ago

Thanks for a thoughtful reply, mgmsatellite. Sadly, that seems to be the case.


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Picard


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6 years 9 months ago

Killing on behalf of religion is both, yet neither. While in their core, religious wars are always political issues, waged due to social / economic / political causes, religion being used to motivate masses is what sets them apart from "normal" wars.
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whisker 6 years 9 months ago

I like that answer, Picard.

Quote "... religion being used to motivate masses is what sets them apart from "normal"
wars." End quote.

I think you have a good point there, Picard. Cheers and thank you!


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Reporter


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6 years 9 months ago

Any sort of KILLING is bad & wrong.
Whether it is US & Israel bombing civilians with 2000 LB Cluster Bombs from 20,000 Feet up, or firing Hell Fire Missiles into Peoples homes and businesses as US did in Iraq or Israel is doing in Gaza or they are doing in Afghanistan etc.

Or it is someone in revenge for the 1-Million Plus Iraqi's that US has Killed since the Iraq War blowing himself up to kill anyone they can which the right-wing Media in US & UK then labels Terrorists.
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whisker 6 years 9 months ago

Thank you, Reporter. You say, in your profile, that you want to report the "real news" and
search for the truth. Might I remark, that carrying such a huge chip on your shoulder
towards so many perceived acts of aggression by your own country and its allies, that you
come a cross as rather one-sided. IMO, you are facing a long journey towards finding the
truth, let alone reporting the real news, if you approach it in this way. Good luck!
Thanks again, Reporter.

donmikel123 6 years 9 months ago

Reporter, Your view is widely carried by a lot of people but i see it as a mere blame
game. It's been at least 2 yeas since USA left Iraq but can you say that it has been up to
2 years since the last suicide bomb is detonated in Iraq? Maybe you could think about what
is happening in Nigeria where a set of people keep on killing innocent people, even people
worshiping in their churches just because they believe that everyone must be Muslim. I
can go on and on but know that your view is one side

Reporter 6 years 9 months ago

1st, so called US left Iraq in 2011. That is hardly 2 years.
2nd, US killed from at least 100,000 to north of 1-Million Civilians in Iraq, the so
called Terrorists since 2000 have not killed 10,000. So just on Iraq the Terror that US
has inflicted on Iraqi's is literally 100 times of what all Terrorists have inflicted in
revenge.
Keep in mind that US Killed at least another 500,000 Iraqis before 2000, that is from
start of Iraq war I to II. So you really want to talk about Terror & Killings!

donmikel123 6 years 9 months ago

You are still beating sound of war. The topic here has nothing to do with either Iraq or
USA. It has all to do with any set of humans that kill in mass apart from unavoidable self
defense. I am still telling you that even Iraqis kill there own people. There was a church
in Iraq that was locked up and every worshiper was shut in Point blank. That would not be
USA. Look at what is going on in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Act of war is different from
unprovoked killing in God's name.


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donmikel123


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6 years 9 months ago

It is neither religious nor politics. It is Lust for blood as a result of unregulated brainwash. Unregulated because any kind of knowledge retains a certain level of brainwash. Whereas science allows additional self knowledge to those its proponents brainwashes, religion reserves no platform for such pleasure.

Nevertheless, in as much as religion in a way compels follows to certain behaviors, killing in the name of religion has no religiosity in it. Of course, it could be adjudged as politics especially when it is sponsored by political elements but the truth or rather the fact is that those guys out there in the street pay no heed to any political directives. In fact, they pay more heed to the dictates of their religion, which in their view justifies their actions.

But, does paying attention to the subject of their indoctrination make their acts religious, Of course no. In the same way, being directed to action by politicians do not make their actions political. Personal vie
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whisker 6 years 9 months ago

Thank you, donmikel123. I like your answer. It contains a lot of passion and you have
explained yourself well. Yes, as you say killing in the name of Religion possibly is
neither religious nor political.

One point, that applies to mine too - concerns your profile. You mention that you would
like to promote your blog, but nowhere, in your profile, could I find a link to your
blog. Good luck and thanks again!

donmikel123 6 years 9 months ago

Whisker, i will post it at this moment. sorry for that miss. Your honesty is also explicit
in your post and it will be unfair not to talk about it.

whisker 6 years 9 months ago

Thank you, donmikel123! No need to apologize! I just put up my own link tonight! It takes
a little time getting used to Anoox. I didn't realize I could edit my account as well as
my profile until tonight! Cheers! Good luck!


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