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revace1

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Illuminati are real or myth?

Do you believe that the Illuminati exist today?
And if so, do they have a big influence in creating a New World Order?

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World_Traveler


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Yes, Illuminati are real part of the Catholic Church.
And I will take the Catholic Church anytime over the other Churches. Specially the so called evangelical Churches in US that have been taken over by the Republican lunatics and the TEAPublican ultra lunatics. Specially I like the Catholic Church now with the new Pope that is talking about the root cause of all Evil which is Wall Street & Big Money.
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melo_mushrom 5 years 3 months ago

I am with you Brother. I am with you.
We need to all see the truth as you speak it.


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govardhandas


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The materialistic world is called the darkest region of God's creation. Yet the unhappy illuminati materialists can get out of it simply by desiring to get out. Unfortunately they are so foolish that they do not want to escape. Therefore they are compared to the camel who relishes thorny twigs because he likes the taste of the twigs mixed with blood. He does not realize that it is his own blood and that his tongue is being cut by the thorns. Similarly, to the materialist his own blood is as sweet as honey, and although he is always harassed by his own material planning, he does not wish to escape.God says for non believer I will comes as death,then all their illumanati planning will be finish.
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Marj123


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5 years 6 months ago

Real, but I don't know if I can even post anything in here. The passwords aren't working.
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MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

Marj123 ---- ? ? ? ? ? WHAT PASSWORDS?

revace1 5 years 6 months ago

I want to thank all of you for the enlightenment. This subject is rather taboo in the
Christian world.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

revace1 - And if my sources are accurate (they certainly agree with my personal study &
experiences) the Illuminati & all its associated organizations want to keep it taboo.

revace1 5 years 6 months ago

To all that think this frightens me. It doesn't. I have the Power of God living inside me.
Isaiah 54:17, No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue which rises
against you in judgment You shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the
Lord, And their righteousness is from Me,” Says the Lord.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

revace1 -- Again, Amen to that! Read the BOOK --- God (& His Faithful) win in the end. We
may stumble, we may lose a few battles. But the fight has been fixed; the outcome of the
war is inevitable. He Who holds the Keys to death & life, also holds the future, & His
promise to us is Life Eternal, while this present world is headed for destruction, He has
a much better place awaiting us as our final destination!


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BERRINTON


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And of course they have a very big influence on the new world order. The new world order is nothing new. It goes way back to the Garden of Eden when satan promised Eve that eating the forbidden fruit could open her eye and make her a god. Ask yourself: What happened when Eve ate of the forbidden tree? The answer to that question is she changed, from a heavenly and divine being to a terrestrial, carnal and rebellious being whose "eyes were opened". This change signified the creation of a new world order (she and all her future seed became "new" beings, i.e sinners) The process involved in opening man's eye and making him become the 'god' that satan promised him is the new world order i.e the birth of a 'new' satanic consciousness in the 'old' ignorant mind.

The objective of the Illuminati is to work with satan in order to attain this open eye consciousness (NWO) and that is why there is an open eye on the dollar bill, aol logo etc.
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ChristianBacktoBasics 5 years 6 months ago

Hello Berrinton, would you say they hide in plain sight?

Marj123 5 years 6 months ago

You do have a lot of true information. Also, we have to remember to keep our eyes on the
Lord. Isa. 26:3-4. Then he will guide us and give us the wisdom we need. Jesus is Lord.
God bless you.

Marj123 5 years 6 months ago

Does the Illuminati have control over the drug cartels? Also the media?

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

Marj123 --- Some documentation reveals that they have indeed manipulated political
parties, the drug trade, & federal agencies in associated countries. As a Christian, I
find it highly suspicious that several major religions have affiliation --- Watchtower
Society (JW"s); Mormonism (LDS); Roman Catholic Church; Scientology . . .

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

cont>>>(Religion of Mind Science); Islam ("ALLAH" is "Yahweh" backwards & upside-down);
Judaism (Kabala); & several high profile "protestant" televangelists have documented
affiliation.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

BERRINTON --- "The Aquarian Conspiracy" = I remember reading about this about 20 years
before the book you cited was published in 1980. It was a series in a journal called "The
Whole Earth Catalouge". About the same time the Broadway plays "HAIR" & "Jesus Christ
Superstar" popularized song lyrics like "this is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius", &
"Jesus Christ superstar, who are you, what are you,..." (created by Jews who did not
believe Jesus to be their true messiah).

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

Hi @ChristianBacktoBasics, Yes they do. Like @MJThompson stated in an earlier post, the
greatest lie of the devil is that he doesn't exist. It has always been the devil's s
strategy to hoodwink us with the lie that he and his cohorts do not exist in order to
distract us from the main agenda. They use the now extinct Illuminati founded in 1776 as
the perfect smokescreen to blind us from the fact that they are right in front of us

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

You only have to look around you and you will see their agenda in plain sight. The 'I'
Phone= Eye phone with the bitten apple i.e forbidden knowledge i.e eat the apple and your
eye will open, CBS News Logo one eye, AOL logo one eye, ATT LOGO serpent (satan) around a
globe, Sky News (reach for the sky i.e attain their so called god consciousness) Statue of
Liberty: Goddess of Liberty enlightening the world i.e the goddess symbolizes the
Illuminati enlightening the world....

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

.. with their knowledge, Columbia pictures logo same thing. I could go on and on but i
think it is better i give you a link to see for yourself:
http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/logos.shtml

We are the "true light of the World" (Matt 5:14) and it is high time we woke up from our
slumber and shine the light of Christ to the hopeless world and also use it to expose the
Illuminati and their evil 'illumination' (false light)

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

@MJThompson Nice Point. The book the aquarian conspiracy was published in the spring of
1980 but like i implied earlier, the aquarian conspiracy aka New World Order is nothing
new. It goes way back to the garden of Eden. In astrology, Aquarius is the water bearer.
It is the age that occultists believe that humanity would lose their individual identities
like different fragrances of flowers adding their separate fragrances to the overall mix
until they are inseparable...

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

..The same way a drop of water loses its identity when dropped into a larger body of water
Hence the name aquarius. So the Aquarian Age is another name for the NWO. The time when
people throw away otheir individuality in order to accept a unified open eye awareness
(so called expansion of ) their consciousness

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

And that is why it is important for them to dominate all the major segments of society in
order to push their agenda:

-The Order has penetrated every segment of American society e.g the White house,
Executive Branch, Legislatures, Political Parties,Foundations (Charities and otherwise)
Think Tanks, Policy groups, Education, Media, Publishing, Banking, Federal Reserve system,
Business, Industry, Commerce and even Churches. In many cases, the order is the founder of
these organizations....

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

They determine the goals and objectives as well as the methods of achieving them, then
usually installs the 1st President, Chairman or CEO -
Terry Cook, Mark of the New World Order 1996 PG 96-97
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BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

The battle for humankind's future must be waged in the public school classroom...between
the rotting corpse of Christianity and the new faith of humanism...and humanism will
emerge triumphant The Humanist,1983.

But of course as always they will fail because God Holy Ones are waking up:

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints...

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

possessed the kingdom. Dan 7:21-22

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

@Marj123 Exactly. We must look to the Lord. There is no need to panic or be scared. The
Lord is in perfect control and he is able and mighty to save us from deception and keep
our feet from falling. At His presence, every principality power & stronghold tremble so
while it is good to know about deception in order to expose it, there is no cause to
panic.

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

The Illuminati has control over all the major corporations in the world. (remember Satan
is the god of this world) Yes they control drug cartels because drugs sell and they use
the money from drugs to generate money to do their bidding, fund wars etc. Of course they
have to control the Media in order to control people's opinion and promote their agenda.
Why do you think one man controls 70% of the Media in Australia and controls many of the
major networks in the world?

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/29/australia-murdochracy-rupert-part-pro
blem
How many mainstream Media organizations are in the US (and other countries in the world)
and who controls them?

“We become slaves the moment we hand the keys to the definition of reality entirely
over to someone else, whether it is a business, an economic theory, a political party, the
White House, Newsworld or CNN.”
― B.W. Powe, Towards A Canada Of Light

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

Hope you understand that not all Academics, Politicians, Celebrities etc are Illuminati
Members. Here's how the Illuminati works: They found the organization, set the satanic
goals and agenda that run it and then employ the unsuspecting & ignorant puppets who
trumpet/channel their message and agenda to the world without knowing what the agenda
means and they usually make sure that they (the employees) are handsomely rewarded for
their services.

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

There are 3 types of people in the world: Those who make the rules, those who obey them
without question e.g a student doctor simply obeys what he is taught in school, if he
chooses to rebel, he fails (he even takes an oath not to rebel against the ethics of his
profession) and then those who question. Is it really so, Why is the world like this? How
can this be so? Is that what the Bible says? Only those who question using the Bible as
their standard ever get to see the light.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

BERRINTON - I quite agree. Regarding your closing comment, allow me to add this. The Bible
has been used by the devil more than anyone else. He has known it since its inception; he
has watched through the centuries as it was being written; He knows what it says better
than anyone, but he doesn't believe it as TRUTH. From the beginning, he has questioned it,
"hath God said?" --- he has attempted to re-direct its intent, " you shall not surely
die". He is the personification of the antitheses

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

CONT>>> of God. I do NOT mean by that he has equal power or is self-existent (as is God
ONLY). But all that the purpose & plan of God for mankind involves, satan has perverted,
twisted, & counterfeited. His favorite masquerade costume is as the "angel of light" (his
former position among the angels of heaven; his name then, "Lucifer", means "light
bearer"). Of course he long ago rebelled & fell from that place of distinction, choosing
to elevate self over God; to make his throne above God's.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

CONT>>> This ploy of the devil is a consistent thread evident in all the various
associated organizations affiliated with the Illuminati (Masonry, Skull & Bones, Job's
Daughters, Shriners, Scottish Rite, etc.). The revelation of who these organization
actually believe the "true" light to be is the deepest hidden mystery that links these
groups together. Only their "inner circle", "highest level", most committed members are
introduced to the "real" light = Lucifer.

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

@MJThompson Exactly. People erroneously picture the devil as an ugly monster with horns
who lives underground and torments Humans without realizing that satan is veiled as a very
desirable angel of light, an angel so desirable that Eve who had experienced the joys and
comforts of paradise threw all her privileges in God away in order to obey and experience
Him.

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

Satan is the simulation of God. He always promises to offer "everything" that God has on
offer but there is always a catch. Remember that Adam and Eve were already made in God's
image (i.e were like God: Psalm 82:6 ,Gen 1:26) prior to their fall but satan blinded Eve
to the fact that she already had what she was looking for (Gen 3:13) The so called 'christ
consciousness', enlightenment etc that occultists are seeking in satan are only obtainable
in Christ. True Light is in Christ....

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

... True mind i.e true Consciousness can only be found in Christ. i.e by repenting and
inviting Jesus Christ in our hearts by faith to be our mind and life (1 Cor 2:16)
True wisdom can only be obtained in Christ. True Wealth (spiritual wealth: Rev 3:17) &
security can only be found in Jesus Christ so people need not enslave themselves to the
illuminati for sustenance. Jesus is ready to satisfy the soul and take care of the body if
we let him. Sin is simply a misdirection of reality...

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

..It involves seeking in self (and satan) the things that are found in Jesus (which is why
the whole occult doctrine involves looking "inward" (not outward to Jesus) for 'christ
consciousnesses to save the soul' (Rom 7:18)

Finally, I think it is important to note that the Illuminati scenario in our world today
is not a surprise to God. God preordained it to test our faith. God is using the outbreak
of evil to 'shake the earth' (Heb 12:26-29) & only those who are founded on Christ...

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

..will stand. We are currently witnessing the fulfillment of the prophecy of purging made
by John the Baptist who claimed that Jesus will thoroughly purge his floor and gather his
wheat into the barn and burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. The outbreak of evil is a
test of our resolve (Rev 3:10, Matt 24:12) and a test of our love for the truth. Will we
stand or will we fall? Will we deny the Illuminati & stay in our comfort zone of falsehood
or will we take an unpopular stance & speak out?

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

And you are right when you say :"Only their "inner circle", "highest level", most
committed members are introduced to the "real" light = Lucifer. But I wanted to add it is
just common sense. You can't compare the experience of 2 year old child and a 20 year old
man . Of course the 20 year old man would be more experienced. You have been many years in
the Lord and have had many experiences. You have even known about many of these things
before many of us were born. So it would be absurd..

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

for a young man who became a christian yesterday to expect to know and have the
experiences that you have had. The occult is based on degrees/levels and the higher the
degree i.e level of initiation, the higher the understanding of the ' satanic light'. A
33rd degree mason obviously knows more than someone on the 30 degree etc.


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BERRINTON


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-A great shuddering and irrevocable shift is overtaking us...A new mind, a turnabout in the consciousness in critical numbers of individuals, a network powerful enough to bring radical change in our culture. The network the aquarian conspiracy has already enlisted the hearts, minds and resources of some of the most advanced thinkers and steadily growing numbers from every corner of American Society including nobel laureate scientists, philosophers, celebrities... who are working together to create a different kind of society.The technologies of expanding personal consciousness once the secret of an elite are now generating massive change in every cultural institution, medicine, politics, business, education, religion and the family.
Marilyn Ferguson, The Aquarian Conspiracy, J.P Tarcher,1980

So the Illuminati are the bearers of the light of their father the devil, the same way that Christians are bearers of the light of Christ (Matt 5:14) hence their name 'Illuminati'
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BERRINTON


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... And they live and operate openly among us: They are the people of influence in the world today who believe that they have attained the mystical knowledge (light) of the god of this world (satan: 2 Cor 11:14) and who use the knowledge that they have obtained to shape the opinions of the people in this world. Whenever you want to see the Illuminati, look no further than the psychics, the Rosicrucian, the Freemasons, the Mystics, the scientists, The academics, the world leaders, the movie directors the regional leaders etc.

-"Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American public school is a school of humanism. What can the theistic Sunday schools, meeting for an hour once a week, teaching only a fraction of the children, do to stem the tide of a five-day program of humanistic teaching?

C.F Potter, Co signer of The first Humanist Manifesto,1930.
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BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

The key to decoding their agenda is found in examining the name attached to them very
carefully.
Free Mason: Free builder, builder of a world order that is free from/independent of God
Rosicrucian:Rose Cross: Was Founded by "Christ"ian Rosencruz The unfolding of the rose
i.e expansion of the consciousness inside the cross i.e the body in order to obtain christ
consciousness
Illuminati: Illuminate:Give out light
So always look at the name carefully. The answer to who they are is always there

fkapnist 5 years 6 months ago

Occultist Helena Petrovna Blavatsky’s 1888 book “The Secret Doctrine” anticipated a
coming world teacher who would unite the human race under a swastika leadership, which
would last for 1,000 years.... Crisis Actor, Firstborn of the Illuminati...

http://myth-os.com/2013/09/03/crisis-actor-firstborn-of-the-illuminati/

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

True but the coming world teacher is none other than the inner self/spirit, (i.e the open
eye awareness) the counterfeit christ who rules the place that Jesus Christ our teacher
(Matt 23:8) is supposed to rule i.e in our hearts (2 Thess 2:4) and teaches us that we are
gods. And the swastika represents the bonding of opposites, outer and inner, spirit and
soul, man and satanic consciousness.


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dfoster1154


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The answer can be found here. They will provide all the proof you need.
http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/379/253-the-secret-behind-secret-societies/
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MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

dfoster1154 --- thank you for the link to Veith's video presentation on this topic as it
relates to Roman Catholicism. The report on the use of symbolism, not only makes clear the
true purpose of the church of Rome, but is also an excellent "crash course" in the
interpretation of symbolism used in biblical prophecy. As a former catholic, I know from
personal experience this presentation is true. As a theologian & born again Believer, I
agree with his vast understanding of this subject.

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

@MJThompson Excellent point. But i just wanted to add that the Illuminati goes beyond
Roman Catholicism. All False religion is empowered by the Illuminati. False religion
(whether it calls itself Pentecostalism, Protestantism etc) gives out false light
(doctrine) and therefore is empowered by the Illuminati i.e the false light bearers.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

BERRINTON - Amen, it most certainly goes well beyond Catholicism, but the church of Rome
is in excellent position for the one segment (religious) of the Illuminati's entire goal
-- new world order (one government, economic system, religion). Its already existing
global wealth & influence makes it an easy stepping stone for whoever & whenever history's
final chapter begins. My references to Roman Catholicism are from my comparisons to
mention of the WHORE as she is introduced in Revelation.

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

Very true. In-fact if we go back into history, Christianity in its current from was born
from Catholicism hence its name the mother church i.e protestantism broke out (was born
from) from Catholicism .


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BERRINTON


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Before I answer your question, I would want us to take a closer look at the word Illuminati:
1.persons possessing, or claiming to possess, superior enlightenment.
2. ( initial capital letter ) a name given to different religious societies or sects because of their claim to superior enlightenment.



Origin:
1590–1600; < Latin illūminātī, plural of illūminātus enlightened; see illuminate

Source:Dictionary.com


From the definitions above, we can deduce that the Illuminati are a group of people who possess (or believe that they possess) an enlightenment that is superior to that of the ' ordinary man'

Moving to your question, yes they do. While it is true that Adam Weishaupt founded an enlightenment-era secret society called Bavarian Illuminati in 1776, the Illuminati's network encompasses a broader and more diverse group of people and the people that make up this network go by different names in order to make them hard to detect.
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It really depends on whether you accept what history records as sufficient evidence for its existence, or not. If you mean by Illuminati - a secret organization of the most powerful and influential elite in the world, then history reports that they go back for centuries & maintain the same bloodlines. They supposedly set up the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group & the Trilateral Commission, which all meet to plan the fate of the world. Members consist of international bankers, top government officials, leaders in the energy cartel & media monopoly owners. Collectively, they have control over the U.N. & UNESCO. Subdivisions reach into every society's daily life without most citizens ever being aware of it. They also have ties to the Freemasons, Skull & Bones, & the Knights Templar. The ultimate goal is for a one world government which they hope to control, a one world currency, & eventual ownership of all land & resources. Some documentation reveals that they have
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MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

CONT>>> manipulated political parties, the drug trade, & federal agencies in associated
countries. As for whether or not it is real, effective myths always include certain
elements of truth. In light of such documentation as has existed since the NT Book of
Revelation warning of such organization by the anti-Christ & beast, to articles published
throughout secular history about its existence, I think it safe to accept that something,
if not actually called the Illuminati is actively attempting

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

CONT>>> to force the prophecy's fulfillment. Of course, they like the devil, probably do
not believe they will be defeated by God's army, but instead think they shall defeat God.
Also, just like the devil, their greatest deception is to have people think they DO NOT
exist.

rpb67 5 years 6 months ago

I believe they are in existance. I have read some books about them. I don't know how big
their influence is though.

revace1 5 years 6 months ago

MJ, I have heard that the " Free Masons" are a league of Illuminati. What's your thought
on that?

revace1 5 years 6 months ago

BERRINTON made mention of this. I have witnessed some very strange ritualistic movements
of the Free Masons. Once at a funeral of a high degree Mason. They read out of a book
(Latin I believe) that obviously over looked the word of God. I came across their bi-laws
book. You would think that they are all about God until you get to some of the deeper
laws. Then it goes sour.

dfoster1154 5 years 6 months ago

You guys need to stop guessing and watch the series of videos by Dr. Walter Veith. copy
and paste in your browser
http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/379/253-the-secret-behind-secret-societies/

Marj123 5 years 6 months ago

MJT, you certainly know a lot about this. I first read about the Illuminati from the
Chick tracts or comic books. They are scary for sure, but the Lord has set us apart for
himself, and we have guardian angels. We must abide in him at all times.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

Marj123 - Oh wow, someone remembers " the Chick tracts"! Jack Chick began writings those
marvelous evangelical tools over 50 years ago. He has been used of the Lord to communicate
Truth in a very simple, yet effective way. Anyone interested in his useful info regarding
the Illuminati & the relationship to Freemasonry should visit this URL ---
http://www.chick.com/information/religions/masonry/. You are so right about being set
apart, having protective angels, & abiding in Christ Jesus always!

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

revace1 - You asked about something you heard --- ". . . Free Masons" are a league of
Illuminati. What's your thought on that?" My thoughts are quite consistent with what
Chick has to share. Perhaps you should visit his website ---
http://www.chick.com/information/religions/masonry. Like you, I've attended memorial
services at Masonic Lodges. You're right about the "going south" part of the ceremony. One
I attended was for a 32 degree Mason whose "honors" list recital involved an honor guard

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

CONT>>> armed with 10th century swords supposedly remnants of the Knights Templar. His
signet ring was kissed by all the elders in attendance before being looped on a gold chain
& hung around the neck of the deceased while a Gregorian Chant was recited in Latin. I
understood most of it (having been educated in parochial schools). It pretty much aligned
with what is "prayed" by the priest in a Roman Catholic Mass for the dead. By the way, the
hierarchy within the catholic church can be traced to

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

CONT>>> the Illuminati through the "Society of Jesus", better known as the Jesuits. This
is a special sect of highly trained priests who carry out covert assignments, originally
formed to execute the "church's enemies".

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

dfoster1154 --- thank you for the link to Veith's video presentation on this topic as it
relates to Roman Catholicism. The report on the use of symbolism, not only makes clear
the
true purpose of the church of Rome, but is also an excellent "crash course" in the
interpretation of symbolism used in biblical prophecy. As a former catholic, I know from
personal experience this presentation is true. As a theologian & born again Believer, I
agree with his vast understanding of this subject.

revace1 5 years 6 months ago

"Gregorian Chant was recited in Latin", yesssssssssss, I remember this. A guy pulled up in
a black lemo. He stepped out of it wearing a black hooded rob. He walked over to the grave
and I can only guess that he chanted this Latin language. When he had completed, he
returned to the still running lemo and left. Very dark. I was a child at the time so it
really confused me. I tugged my mothers dress and asked who he was; she told me,
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Well I'm grown now and I won't, shhhhhhhhhhhh.

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

revace1 --- go tell it on the mountain! Interesting scriptural annotation: Jesus never did
anything in secret.

Marj123 5 years 6 months ago

What about the secret prayer sessions he had like going out early in the morning by
himself or praying on the mountain while the disciples were on the lake or praying all
night the day before he chose the disciples?

MJThompson 5 years 6 months ago

Marj123 -- But they were NOT "secret" sessions; if they had been, how would we know about
them? He told his disciples everything He was doing, & about to do. He NEVER took them
aside for "secret" inductions into His scheme, or gave them exclusive esoteric
information. His truth He revealed to the world & told His followers to disseminate His
message to the whole world, NOT keep it hidden or secret for only a few "highly qualified"
individuals. God is no respecter of persons.

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

@MJThompson I agree with you 100% when you say Jesus never had any secret sessions. But
then He was very clear that the mysteries of God are revealed to a selected few: "And the
disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables He answered and
said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of
heaven, but to them it is not given.For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he
shall have more abundance: .....

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Matt 13:10-12
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. John 8:43

The Mysteries of God are veiled from the carnal man (1 Cor 2:14) i.e they are esoteric
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3

They can only be 'unveiled' by Christ
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor 3:16

BERRINTON 5 years 6 months ago

The Mysteries of God are hidden (veiled) in plain sight (Meaning they are hidden in the
open) and it is our responsibility as the church to unveil the Mysteries that Christ has
revealed to us to the world.

MJThompson 5 years 3 months ago

ATTENTION: Regarding my remarks about CHICK Publications posted above... My desire is to
always present a balanced report & fair evaluation of available documentation on any given
subject. I have recently reviewed rebutttal information posted on this website:
http://www.catholic.com/documents/the-nightmare-world-of-jack-t-chick
To gain a full understanding of both sides of this issue, interested parties should read
the material provided there. Peace!


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