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nurse_jackie

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Posted On: 2014-11-03 12:43:50
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Should terminally ill be provided with assisted Suicide?

The other day Brittany Maynard, the 29-year-old who said she had terminal brain cancer, took medication to
end her life under Oregon's "Death with Dignity Act", here:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/02/health/oregon-brittany-maynard/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

What do you think about this?
Should people who have been diagnosed as being terminally ill be assisted to
Kill themselves?
What if the Doctors had it wrong?
What if she could have been cured by being positive?
Or is assisted Suicide best option in such cases?
And can this assisted Suicide be abused, by for example Health Insurance companies that want to kill off their penitence with long term care, which means most expensive to care for, so as to then Maximize their Profits and share prices on Wall Street?

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cybercabz


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no it is not right
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nurse_jackie 4 years 3 months ago

Well if there is No hope for healthcare based improvement in persons status and specially
if the person is suffering, then yes it should be.
But only if both of above Conditions are met.


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grolydmd


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4 years 3 months ago

I would vote no in general, but they also shouldn't be kept alive against their will either. Oregon's law has been in place for a long time and has safeguards to assure the patient is terminal before a doctor can prescribe medication so that the patient can end their life. Besides, this is a personal decision and not made lightly.
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Ossena 4 years 3 months ago

yes, I think this is very difficult answer.
Of course this becomes Horribly difficult in case of USA that does not have something as
basic as Government run Universal socialized healthcare and instead American People are at
mercy of Big Wall Street run Health Insurance companies that have the incentive of KILLING
American People as quickly as they can so as to minimize their health care costs and
Maximize their profits. Gr8 related article here:
http://www.realnewspost.org/sa.php?a=64892


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Droomekara.com


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4 years 11 months ago

The question that must first be answered correctly is: "Why does this patient want to die quickly?" Majority of patients who choose to die quickly are usually in very excruciating pain. Anyone who has experienced persistent excruciating pain will understand why patients would rather be dead than continue with that experience. Having said that, I would first emphasize pushing pain treatment to the pharmacological top limit with maximum tranquilizer doses. More than 90 % of such patients will feel less severe pain.

Where that fails, I will favor any form of nerve section, that disconnects the pain source from the brain. A good a example is severing the sciatic nerve in severe sciatica. When all medical options fail for the remaining 1-2 % of chronic pain patients, a team of medical ethics committee members can then be invited to take the final decision. The yearly assisted suicide rate will definitely not be up to 70 per year if this process is followed.
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grolydmd 4 years 3 months ago

I agree with most of what you say but believe in patient autonomy. The patient makes the
final decision not the ethics committee. The ethics committee can interview the patient
and all involved and render an opinion but the decision is the patient's alone in
conjunction with their loved ones.


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mannan970


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4 years 11 months ago

God gives lives, God takes it.
This simple ....
No single one came back from death and told us it was good or easy , Death might make you suffer more than illness .
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tqs43tqs43 4 years 11 months ago

that is completely true, so the best option is to help patient as possible without
interfering with his life, thank you


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tqs43tqs43


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4 years 11 months ago

hi all, I think the decission on this issue is complicated, but in short ending life is not allowed by all religions and to me not human,since the patient may have the chance to live due to wrong diagnosis, the best decision therefore is to ease the patient with possible medications if possible and wait for god will to end his life, this response from tariq
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tqs43tqs43


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4 years 11 months ago

decission on ending life is a complicated issue,assisted suicide is not allowed by all religions, it may be also that decision of doctors is not 100% correct, the best thing is to ease patient symptoms and wait only for good will to end his life, response from Tariq
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ghdesign


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4 years 11 months ago

The taking of any life goes against God. No people should not be assisted in ending their life. Doctors are human beings and they are subject to make mistakes, God never does. Her having been cured by being positive was certainly possible but no one will ever know now. Assisted Suicide shouldn't even be an option. ANYTHING... made by man can and will be abused. God... and only God is the creator of all human life and it is by His Power alone that we continue on in life. Whether you believe in God or not is a personal choice... but... He believes in you!
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tippiedavid


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No, they should be provided with what works in life, and that is not drugs or chemo. It is against the law for anyone to state that natural cures, but it is not against the law for someone to take suggestion from another and to cure themselves with naturals. Only when all hope is lost and the medical pharmaceutical sickness industry states that they have done all they can, do some people then turn to where they should have been all along. AgingYounger.net
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MJThompson


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4 years 11 months ago

Suicide can be confusing especially for Christians. Although scripture is generally opposed to the taking of life, it provides no clear disapproval of the few cases of apparent suicide it records. On a personal note, some of those we believe to be strong in the faith have considered it as a "way out." Emotions aside, what does scripture reveal? Saul apparently committed suicide to avoid dishonor & suffering at the hands of the Philistines. He is rewarded by the Israelites with a war hero's burial, without any disapproval of his suicide (1Sam. 31:1-6). Samson's suicide is usually considered as a justified act of obedience to a direct command of God (Judges 16:23-30). Regarding Judas Iscariot, scripture indicates his final destiny in two passages of scripture. Jesus refers to Judas in His prayer at Gethsemane: “those that thou gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled” – Jn.17:12. The inference there
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MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

is that Judas was “lost” & the term “perdition” literally means eternal damnation.
Peter refers to Judas & his transgressions “from which Judas by transgression fell, that
he might go to his own place” – Ac. 1:15-25. The phrase “go to his own place”
infers a different destination than that of the apostles who remained faithful. Although
it is clear that Judas was excluded from eternal life (vs. 20), it was not his suicide
that determined his fate. Certainly the idea that

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

suicide was not consistent with God’s desired end for human life is apparent throughout
the church age. The view that suicide is unforgivable (& therefore destines one to eternal
damnation) seems to be rooted in the medieval church & its distinction between mortal &
venial sins. Through the medieval period, proper Christian burial was refused those who
committed suicide. The doctrine of the Church of Rome states that suicide, by excluding a
final repentance, is a mortal sin.

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

However, the early 16th century Reformers despite their abhorrence of suicide, do not
suggest that it is an unpardonable sin. John Calvin concluded that blaspheming against the
Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin (Mt. 12:31), & suicide need not be viewed as
blasphemy. Still, the teaching of mainline Christianity is that suicide is morally wrong &
must never to be considered by a true believer. Most doctrine affirms that life is a gift
from God. To take one's own life is to show

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

insufficient gratitude. Our lives belong to God; we are but stewards. To end one’s own
life is to usurp the prerogative that is God's alone. Suicide therefore, is a rejection of
the goodness of God, & it can never be right to reject God's goodness. If we conclude
accordingly, that all suicide is morally wrong, how do we understand Christ’s statement?
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends” –
Jn. 15:3. Can it not be reasonably argued that the

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

death of Christ was an altruist suicide? Jesus said regarding His death, “Therefore doth
my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man takes it
from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to
take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father“ – Jn. 10:17-18.
Certainly, in light of this, no one could call His sacrifice morally wrong. So it seems
that motivation would be the determining factor

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

in considering any suicide as wrong. Can we ever really know what the aim of any suicide
is? Indeed is plotting one's own death perhaps a misguided cry for help? Can we know that
the suicidal person believed this action would really kill them? Most importantly, are our
personal thoughts about suicide really consistent with God’s, or does some doctrine we
hold fast actually reach beyond what scripture actually teaches? If any suicide could be
justified, certainly a thoughtful reading of

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

the Book of Job would conclude that Job certainly had reason to take his own life. Yet the
record shows that by remaining faithful & waiting of God, he not only was completely
healed, all that was taken from him was restored. Suicide is an act of hopelessness. It is
therefore of the greatest importance to make sure that we remain focused on an eternally
reliable hope.

comptu 4 years 11 months ago

Biblically sound. Good reasoning. After all, we as Christians are to always be prepared
to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that we have. 1
Peter 3:15. How can a person give reason for hope when they feel hopelessness. For me,
recognizing that greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world, works. I
acknowledge Him in everything and He directs my path. That path directs me to follow Him
for He is my Shepherd who leads me. I am His and He is mine:)

comptu 4 years 11 months ago

Because of this, for me to consider suicide for any Christian would be sort of like a
sheep willingly seeking his own death to avoid being sheared or something. A Christian
recognizes that there will be times in which he/she will go astray but we MUST KNOW that
our Shepherd will come after us to bring us back. The more difficult the issues in our
lives the more cause we have to seek Him. Funny, it should be the same way when things are
going great too. The secret is JOY, a great lesson.


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Boots61


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4 years 11 months ago

I believe in quality of life. And should someone be in such pain that is unbearable; who am I to tell them what to do. There is only one judge in my mind and he is the All Mighty Father. So ultimately he will have the final say. What we are all governed by are man made laws.
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Golfer


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4 years 11 months ago

Because God life and nothing is impossible with God I would not condone killing oneself, nor cam I condone Abortion. I do condone executing a mass murder like Hitler.
I just hope she was saved.
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nurse_jackie 4 years 11 months ago

You are entitled to your opinion about Abortion, and are entitled to ask your family not
to have one, but otherwise keep your opinion (and hands) of my body and my Daughters body.
So this question is about "assisted Suicide" and not Abortion, which is a personnal issue
and entirely different issue.

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

nurse_jackie - with all due respect, in Golfer's response there was indeed an all
encompassing answer to your direct question about suicide. The point being, if you believe
that God is the author of life, then whether considering the beginning of life or the end
of life, both belong to God & the prevailing secular humanist view that an indivisual's
rights trump that is not a matter of opinion as much as one of interpretation. If God is
the giver of life, those who oppose abortion beleive that

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

since the life (embryo, fetus, baby - call it what you will) in the womb was created there
by God, it must be His will, not the mother's, whether or not to terminate that life.
Equally so, & for the same reason, suicide is frowned upon. Those who believe that life -
ANY & ALL LIFE - is a gift from God, also beleive that only God has the right to terminate
life. Peace!

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

Obviously, not all people are so persuaded. Therefore, it remains a political issue based
upon equal civil rights, not to be determined by one sect's morality over another's. Such
is the American way of life, equality & justice for all. In that arena, a strictly secular
code is enforced - & rightly so. Because we are a multi-cultural society, we must not
impose our personal beliefs on others. Under this premise, assisted suicide must be
considered within the framework of existing laws.

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

Most civil law has its roots in Mosiac Law. The Old Testament from which it comes, is very
specific in defining the taking of human life. In certain circumstances it is not only
justified, it is commanded. The familiar "eye for an eye" slogan has its roots there.
Capital punishment does too.

nurse_jackie 4 years 11 months ago

No, I do not believe that:
"God is the author of life"

Moreover, it is the opinion Religious nut jobs and not facts that:
"embryo, fetus - call it what you will" is alive and that an embryo without life is the
same as a baby with life.

MJThompson 4 years 11 months ago

????? where did you get your nursing certification? "embryo without life is the same as a
baby with life"? Who ever said that? The processes vital for a living organism to live
(therefore, have "life") are made up of any number of chemical reactions or other events
that results in a transformation. That is the medical definition. How is that NOT
applicable to an embryo? Your preconceptions are based on obvious bias stemming from
either a false belief system or a complete lack of consideration of

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realtive data. While it is not necessary to beleive in God (& I respect your right not to)
in order to be a competent medical professional, it is also quite unacceptible to squash
the beliefs of others by unilateral labeling believers as "Religious nut jobs". How dare
you!

comptu 4 years 11 months ago

Hello friends. MJThompson, you are consistent and hitting par for you as usual which I
will always thankfully expect and appreciate. When a name of something is changed, it can
be distanced from you. That's how it all began and it is now part of this society. Used
to be "she is with child." How soon we forget. When everyone has some time to kill, I
thought this may be appreciated. It really does fall into this subject matter eventually.
Be patient. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI

ghdesign 4 years 3 months ago

Nurse_Jackie...
I have suffered three heart attacks AND THREE STROKES! All within 2 years. Shouldn't I
be gone already?? How would your medical knowledge explain this? When you come to the
conclusion that God has kept me here for His purpose you will have the answer to your own
question. Whether or not you believe or don't believe in God isn't the point. God
created ALL life and it is up to Him to take it or not. God creates Miracles and in case
you forgot... you are one!


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Ossena


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4 years 11 months ago

I had a friend who was diagnosed with terminally cancer, and given 6 Months to live. He said flip the Doctors and went for a walk through Mexico, he came back all fine and tanned. That was 6 Years ago!
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nurse_jackie 4 years 11 months ago

That is great stuff.
So glad for your friend :)


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WirSind


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4 years 11 months ago

I think this is a family decision.

But the fact that in Health Care in US is provided on for profit basis does complicate this alot. After all, Health insurance companies when faced with someone having Terminal illness, based on their profit motivations, could be disposed toward pushing that person to end their lives so that they can minimize their expenses and thus maximize their profits and share prices on Wall Street.

So this is just another reminder that Health Care should not be operated on for profit basis but on Government run Socialized basis only as we do here in Germany and through out Europe same way.

With that said, my condolences to this young ladies family. What a shame :(
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nurse_jackie 4 years 11 months ago

I agree with your comment totally. Specially about "Health Care should not be operated on
for profit basis but on Government run Socialized basis only".


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