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Posted On: 2015-04-01 23:31:34
What do yo thins of Laws like Indiana "Freedom of Religion"?
As you probably know Indiana & Arkansas and some other States have passed what is know as "Freedom of Religion" laws, which allow an individuals to refuse to server someone over their religious beliefs, such as not serve a Gay couple over their religious beliefs.
Do you think this is about "Freedom of Religion" as supporters of these Laws claim or "Backdoor to Gay discrimination" and "Homophobia" as detractor of these laws claim?
Okinawa1985, You want proof that Obama Democrats are FRAUD and TEAPublicans lunatics? That they are playing a "Good Cop Bad Cop" Con Job on US, Here:
1- Obama Admin carried out the Iraq war just as per Bush. It carried out the Afghan War just as Bush, even increasing the number of US troops there. And it has engaged in every War-mongering of Bush from Iran to North Korea, to having added Libya & Syria to the list.
2- Obama Admin did not even propose set aside pass real Government run Universal Nationalized health care (aka NHS) as they have in ALL developed Nations, which NHS is so necessary to the well being of a Nation that is 100% supported by ALL Conservative parties, repeat all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Australia, etc.. Instead Obama Admin passed a joke of a Health Care reform, a Water down version of RomneyCare, a plan proposed by Ultra RightWing of Republican party (aka Heritage Foundation)!
In above FACTS alone you have your absolute proof.
As obviously expected you cannot answer my Question of:
"Which one of Points I have stated are not 100% FACTS?"
because they are all 100% FACTS, which facts prove what true lunatics you TEAPublicans in USA have been and are.
The real Question is HOW have 10s of Millions of People in USA, like you, become such utter complete lunatics that you have positions that are 100% OPPOSITE of FACTS and what is GOOD, such as:
1- opposing Government run Universal Nationalized health care (aka NHS)
2- You support War after War after War after War, while at the same time TEAPublican Mother Fawkers when it comes to spending Money on American People & Cities will say:
"Government is the Problem not solution"
“We are borrowing from our Grandchildren”
Answer is that every day from 1000 different Wall Street Media sources you (American People) are bombared by right-wing Media lies filled with hate & fear mongering
founding_fathers, you have nailed it on the Head man. Indeed reason why USA is such a screwed up place now, why there are 10s of Millions of lunatics in USA now, is US Media, Wall Street owned Media, lying and lying to American People. To be exact spinning every bit of news into one hate mongering after another war mongering and opposing any investment in American People. Fox and Talkradio right-wing lying machines alone would destroy a Nation, now add on top of that ABC, CNN, CNBC, etc. and
The same people that own the mass media in the USA also own the mass media in every other nation in the world. The entire world is going down the toilet. The whole thing is being run out of the Vatican in Rome and the Pope is the Antichrist. It was all prophecied in the Bible. The last thing in the world that they want anyone doing is to read the Bible and put their faith in Jesus Christ. You can talk about anything and point the finger at anyone, but don't expose the Pope and don't talk
and don't talk about how you can be saved by turning from sin and putting your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. They want you to talk about non issues like health care rather than to talk about how people need to turn from sin and turn to God. Government programs cannot give you eternal life and make your life what it was meant to be. Michael Jackson said it right when he said that if you want to change the world, then start by changing the man in the mirror.
In fact, the truth is, that the New World Order has been at this for thousands of years and are masters of deception, manipulation, and mind control. They create the problems in the world, they spread propaganda about the problems real or imagined, and then they present their solution to the problems and advertise that. They push people in the direction of total subjection, slavery, and dependency on them. They cause wars and control the outcome to weaken people and make everyone believe
glorybound9876: Please, if you will, enlighten me on where you found, for a fact, that "The same people that own the mass media in the USA also own the mass media in every other nation in the world." Do you mean the same people, LITERALLY, or are you referring to the SAME "kind" of people? Also, where did you find in Revelation, or Matthew, that the Pope is, in fact, the Anti-Christ, and may just be one of the many who now exist? Please, enlighten me!
Read my book at www.readtheendoftheworld.com There is a link at the bottom of the page so that you can read the whole book for free and you can click on all the links and view the pictures to examine the evidence.
Your questions are answered specifically in the chapters on the Antichrist, the Jesuits, the House of Rothschild, and the New World Order. The book shows how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together. The first edition was published in early 2009. This is the second edition that I published two years ago.
glorybound9876, you said:
"The same people that own the mass media in the USA also own the mass media in every other nation in the world."
Absolutely WRONG. Media outlets such as Fox, and the lying basards on TalkRadio such as Rush, Beck, etc. would be HUNG for Treason if the Wall Street Cabal ever tried to set them up in other Countries as they have in USA. Just look at the fact that NO Media in European Nations, Canada, etc. does anything else but praise the absolute
good and necessity of Government run Universal Nationalized health care (NHS) because it is absolutely necessary to the Well being of Nation while the entire US Media either do not cover this fact or in ultra Lying Machines such as Fox and TalkRadio they rail against it and call it "Socialism & Communism" while these same bastards praise how Wonderful Israel is and how it is example of "Free Market Capitalism" when Israel has 100% NHS which is absolute proof of
Faxonly, apparently you don't know who the Jesuits, or the Rothschilds, or Rupert Murdoch, or the Freemasons and Shriners are. You are too ignorant to be trying to claim such bold statements. Read my book if you want to know the truth. You watch too much TV.
The Vatican runs the New World Order and tries to blame everything on the Jews just as they did in Nazi Germany.
The reason why all the world currencies have a similar appearance is because they are all owned by the Rothschilds who work for the Jesuits. Organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations were started by Europeans working under the Jesuits and were highly influenced by people like Edward Bernays, who is called the father of modern day propaganda. They used different propaganda messages in each nation to control wars from every side.
You should also learn about Bertlesmann which own a large portion of the music industry and print media and who also ran the Nazi propaganda in WW2. Or study Rockefellers and how they were brought into the Rothschild family through Jacob Schiff. Rockefellers financed the death camps in Germany through the Kaiser Willhelm Institute. After the war, he provided the land for the UN which brought the Nazis into the USA through the CIA. The UN is run by the Vatican.
Hitler was a Catholic and had a deal with the Vatican to be in power, Himmler was trained as a Jesuit, Joseph Stalin was trained as a Jesuit. The Jesuits have a long history of starting wars from all sides and controlling the outcome. The Rothschilds manage the money for the operation and were brought in by the Jesuit Adam Weishaupt. The first Rothschild was Mayer Amschel Bauer who was brought in by Adam Weishaupt. The Jesuits run the Freemasons and other occult secret orders.
Faxonly, you watch too much TV. You have been duped. They also control the schools and the false religions. All religions are being united under the Pope because he is the Pontifex Maximus of Paganism. Catholicism has never been Christian. It is Satanism pretending to be Christian because Jesus Christ is God and came to set people free from Satan.
glorybound - Kevin... did you ever reconcile the delusion you entertained that led you into a marriage with multiple partners? You claimed that God had led to marry, yet the father-in-law tricked you into marrying more than one daughter. Being so deceived, it would be advisable for you to also rethink your reliability on the decades old Vatican world conspiracy theory which you have so erroneously borrowed from in your book. Even your recent updates are now outdated & wrong.
glorybound9876, you actually wrote:
"The Vatican runs the New World Order and tries to blame everything on the Jews just as they did in Nazi Germany."
That is some serious NUT JOB talk man!
You need to STOP watching the right-wing Hate Mongering Media such as Fox and the NUT JOBs on TalkRadio. What have these bastards done to so many Millions of American People?
You want to know what is so wrong with USA? Find who is behind Fox, Rush, Beck, etc. NUT JOBs rightwing lying Machines.
Where do you get all this TV information? I don't have a TV Because I don't want one. I don't listen to Talk Radio. I do research. I talk to people all over the world and research first hand information in actual documents produced by the people themselves. The entire New World Order is run by the Vatican in Rome. All the false religions including Islam are run by the Luciferican New World Order at the Vatican. Read my book at www.ReadTheEndOfTheWorld.com if you want to know the truth.
MJ Thomson defends Catholcism because he has never forsaken it. Catholcism has never been Christianity. They have always worshipped Pagan gods but changed the names to Christian names to pretend to be Christianity. Anyone can look at the hat that the Pope wears and see that it is Nimrod's mitre which shows him as the Pontifex Maximus (High Priest) of Paganism. MJ, you should study the Bible instead of relying on what you have been brainwashed to believe in mind programming Seminaries.
glorybound - Or should I refer to you by your real name "Kevin"? You know my former personal emails to you have attempted to settle your FALSE representations of my actual beliefs. I have absolutely "forsaken" catholicism nearly 50 years ago! The fact that I was raised by their parochial school system & preparing to enter their priesthood is when I discovered that they exist CONTRARY to SCRIPTURE. As I've told you BEFORE, I have since received a formal education & have become an EXPERT in
biblical languages, theology, &Christian Psycology. For you to insinuate that my personal study of the Bible is somehow less reliable than yours is indeed merely a true reflextion of your lack of substantial relevant FACTS. As with ALL ill-equipped debaters, resorting to personal attacks to hopefully divert attention away from the real issue, is a long-time strategy employed by the incompetent. You are the one in need of further research, your entire "luciferian lonspiracy" has been completey
refuted by several unfulfilled "prophesies" during the five decades since it 1st appeared as a byproduct of misinterpreted dispensational theology. As dates have passed the theory has had to be revised too many times for it to retain ANY credibilty. I have completely debunked your book (even provided you with factual info to properly edit it) but you refuse to heed reality, & then resort to posting lies about me! Please confine your comments to the issues, NOT personal at6tacks. PEACE!
I have been accused by "GLORYBOUND" of defending catholicism. For the record, I do NOT defend it as a religious system, but I do defend TRUTH. When untrue claims are made against ANY religion, even though I do not personally agree with it, I still defend TRUTH & reject ANY & ALL lies perpetrated against it. There are many cults claiming agreement with biblical Christianity whoes dogma & practices are NOT consistent with scripture. The errancy of these religions should be exposed, but NOT by
MJ , first of all, you think you know something and call yourself an EXPERT. Christian Psychology is an oxymoron. Psychology is based on atheistic perspective. Secondly, anyone can read my book and check out the links and see that everything is based in hard facts and reality.
Freemasonry is based on the occult. The highest degree of the York rite uses a symbol which includes the IHS of the Jesuits. The Jesuits run the New World Order (Novus Ordo Seclorum). Lucius Trust is
the publishing house of the United Nations. It was originally called Lucifer Publishing. The black stone altar in the meditation room of the UN is dedicated to the god that man worships under many names and in many different forms. The Popes in 1986 and again in 2011 united world religious leaders in Italy and claim that they all worship the same god. Just what god do you think that is? Lucifer Publishing calls the coming world teacher the Christ. It is the Antichrist of Bible prophesy
making untrue claims against them. They must be judged by their departure from sound doctrine revealed consistently throughout scripture. Even among many rightly accepted Christian denominations, there are customs & practices that are NOT good representations of proper interpretation of ther scriptures. Trained theologians readily recognise these problems, yet they continue to grow without resolution. This has been the case for thousands of years & will continue until the end. However, when
Bible prophesy is something that you obviously don't believe since you are an EXPERT in "Christian Psychology" and you deny that the Antichrist is of Satan. The highranking freemasons call themselves Luciferian. The telescope of the Vatican is called Lucifer. They sing about Lucifer in their high masses.
Here is what Lucius Trust has to say about Lucifer - http://www.lucistrust.org/en/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/the_esoteric_meaning_of_luci fer
that which is contrary to scripture as a matter of interpretation results in divisions, it is all the more imparative that those interpretations be founded upon well established FACTS as possible. When dogma becomes substantiated on mere theory or misinformation, such is sufficient to discredit ANY & ALL claimes by its propegators. Worse still, when such dogma has been clearly & decisively refuted by well established FACTS, NONE of the related claims of its suppoters can be received as credible.
Here is what they say about the coming world teacher that they call the Christ ...
1 John 2:22 says that the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ is the Antichrist. The popes call themselves the Vicar of Christ , or Christ on the Earth, thereby proclaiming themselves and not Jesus to be the Christ.
The Bible is the supreme authority on doctrine, not your seminaries or your self proclaimed EXPERTISE
The Holy Spirit of God lives in everyone that lives by faith in Jesus Christ and He is our teacher. Without the Spirit of Christ living in you, you cannot properly understand the Bible. You don't need a priest or a seminary degree to understand the Bible. You do need faith in Jesus Christ and in the Bible. Yes the Pope is the Antichrist, and satan is who he follows. The world leaders are the ones that call their vision the New World Order and call themselves Luciferian.
GLORYBOUND _ You stated about me: "Bible prophesy is something that you obviously don't believe since you are an EXPERT in "Christian Psychology" and you deny that the Antichrist is of Satan." I ABSOLUTELY refute that comment, NOTHING about it is true regarding my personal beliefs, nor my field of expertise. Kevin, you obviously DID NOT read my rebuttal, & you continue to make outlandish & untrue statements about me, all which = personal attacks. Do such lies help your lucifian ideaology?
You further stated: "The Bible is the supreme authority on doctrine, not your seminaries or your self proclaimed EXPERTISE". Again, if you read ANY of my rebuttal, you would realize that I absolutely agree scripture is the "supreme authority on doctrine". As for my "EXPERTISE", what is yours? How do YOU understand the qualifications to be considered an authority or expert in any given field or profession? As I said, you have resorted to attempting to discredit my presntation of FACTS rather than
supplying further FACTUAL evidence in support of your claims. The website you refer to as your source is antiquated & in dire need of recent editting. MUch of the info there is long since outdated, & the mere passage of time since its inception has proven the original statements to be false. Funny that you want us to believe that the bible is the supreme authority, yet you refer to that website as your authority for info regarding luciferains. Try quoting genuine theologians instead of cult
While it remains common knowledge to those who have competently researched established factual infomation regarding the Freemasons that they are NOT founded upon sound doctrine supported by proper scriptural interpretation, I have NEVER inferred that they are not a cult. They indeed are a cult. I also concur that many associated organizations (Shriners, Job's Daughters, Illuminati, etc.) are equally cultish. Many books, documentaries, & websites present much info related to their existence
MJThompson You talk like you don't want anyone to know what is on that Lucius Trust web site. It is the publishing house of the United Nations and declares the plans of the New World Order. It is first hand information. You say the information on the site needs to be changed. What would you like it to be changed to? Something that doesn't expose what the world leaders are doing?
& purposes. Most present an acceptance of a "New World Order". However, when such info then becomes subject to theory & mere conjecture based MERELY & ABSOLUTELY on secular history, the related propaganda is also cultist. Dispensationalism 1st appeared in the early 19th century, attempting to present a "modern view" of eschatology [end times]. Interpretations of biblical prophesies culminated in teachings that the symbolism used by the prophets had distinct & specific LITERAL applications
to actual people & intitutions. While ultimately, this may indeed prove to be the intent of the Holy Spirit's inspiration, the applications that have been made in the past have yet to come to fruition. Every decade since its inception, theories have been presented related to actual persons & institutions then currently in existence. But as time continues to move forward, the present becomes the past, the specific persons die, the institutions collapse, & so the prophesies must be reinterpreted.
IN the 21st century, many specific persons & instituions have been pointed to as fulfillment of the prophesies. There have been nine popes since the 20th century. each of them the desiginated "Antichrist". But the present pope (Benedict) is the 266th person to hold that office. If prophesy really points to the pope, why have ther been so many, & yet the end has not come? Theologians can show that in every generation there have been persons & institutions that qualified as fulfillment to the
prophesies (at least as interpreted by THAT generation). Nero was thought to be the Antichrist when he persecuted the church & blamed them for destroying Rome. The Roman Empire was the "Babylon" which John referred to in Revelation. Of course, it has been reinterpreted by successive generations. Depending upon what organizations, people, & political movements have existed, each generation has been able to apply prophesy to label the players in a concerted movement towards a "NEW WORLD ORDER".
NOT to imply that no such thing can ever be, simply that ALL previous attempts to label then present players as fulfillment of prophecy have failed. I also want to remind those interested in eschatology, that only been since the 19th century & the introduction of Dispensationalism has this prevailing view of an end times calendar of events been widely accepted & expected. If any other portion of scripture were to be scrutinized by the same rules of proper interpretation, such would have long
When you claim there are 266 popes, are you claiming succession back to Peter as the first pope? Do you believe the Libre Pontificalis? Do you believe that Peter was ever the head of the church? You, like any Jesuit, are willing to pretend to be anything and to speak out against anything except the supremacy of the Pope. As the leaders of the Catholic Counterreformation, the Jesuits have a pledge to use any means necessary to make the Pope the world emperor. The Pope is not Lord or
the Christ. Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus has always been the head of His church. His church is everyone that is led by His Spirit through faith in Him alone and not faith in any church. Satan pretends to be the head of Christianity. Catholicism has never been Christianity.
since been rejected as false doctrine. No other area of scripture would ever be continually open for revision. Although there are several things covered by scripture that require a deeper and less obvious consideration, where scripture is clear, there cannot be a reasonable departure nor constant revision. "No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation" - 1Pt. 1:20. In light of this, prophecy has been the portion of scripture MOST misunderstood & misinterpred throughout history.
The people living at the time of Christ either accepted or rejected HIM based upon their private interpretations of prophecy. Rightly interpreted, ALL prophecy about Messiah pointed directly to Jesus of Nazareth. But the MAJORITY of Jews misinterpreted prophecy & to this day still look for ANOTHER. The point being, Jesus Himself warned that "many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" - Mt. 24:5; Mk. 13:6; Lk. 21:8. He knew & was telling ALL who search scripture
that many deceivers will acknowledge Christ yet still propagate FALSE DOCTRINE. Jesus further warned that many would do things thinking & beleiving that they were honoring Him but were NOT. "Then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" - Mt. 7:23. We must be extremely careful to NEVER assume that we have a proper interpretation of prophecy, & even MORE so when it becomes a "private" interpretation, meaning ours is exclusive of that which is indicated
by sound doctrine, fully & clearly supported by scripture. It may be that scripture points to a "new world order" orchestrated by ungodly men influenced by the devil. But to assume that ANY specific organization or persons are the EXACT & ONLY proper interpretation of related scriptures is grossly presumptuous, if not outright arrogant. Such prideful professions are NOT Christlike. We must at ALL times take the posture of the great reformer, Martin Luther, who humbly submitted along with his
GLORYBOUND - You ask me about revisions of the website you cited: "What would you like it to be changed to?" I do NOT want it changed to ANYTHING. I referred solely to the changes that the website has ALREADY experienced. The present site has Already been REVISED! The information has needed to be updated because the original players have passed. Stop defending yourself to the exclusion of reason. When rebuked, take it under advisment & prayerfully consider what proper illumination might be
received if humility were given its proper place. Obviously much of your theology is correct, why comprimise your integrity as a true witness by going out on such tangents as the propagation of luciferian dogma & aggenda? We were called to preach the Gospel, NOT conspiracy theories!!! Peace!
MJ You are the one that is being rebuked. Which players are you referring to that have passed? The United Nations? The Vatican? The website declares what their plans are for 2015 and beyond. You still have not answered where you got the idea that there are 266 Popes up to now! You must believe the fraudulent Liber Pontificalis and the idea that Peter was the first Pope of Roman Catholicism and the head of the church.
GLORYBOUND - there you go again launching personal attacks at my expetise & integrity! Take the time to read my whole comments in their proper context & you should discover that I've presented generalizations applicable to all who fit the bill, without pointing any finger directly at you. If you feel convicted, take it to God. As for your question about the players who have passed ... You start with "The United Nations?" Case in point: when the luciferian conspiracy emerged in the early
20th century the lufciferian conspiracy pointed to the League of Nations as the political instrament of the New World Order. The Vatican did not officially declare the infalibilty of the pope until the council of 1869-70. Prior to that, references to what we now call "the Vatican" was called "the Holy See". Such examples are what I referred to as changes in players. The phrase "New world order" in the Bahá'í Faith refers to a system of teachings, enunciated by Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the
religion, that Bahá'ís believe embodies God's divinely appointed scheme for the unification of mankind in this age. The luciferian use of the term changed the religious significance into mainly a political one. In 1773 Mayer Amschel Rothschild assembled twelve of his most influential friends, & convinced them that if they pool their resources together, they can rule the world. This meeting was in Frankfurt, Germany. Rothschild also told his friends that he had found the perfect candidate,
Adam Weishaupt, an individual of incredible intellect and ingenuity, to lead the organization. Of course, the organization's roots can be traced much furthter back to scripture. New World Order is a term used to describe the uniting of the world's superpowers to presumeably secure & maintain global peace, safety, & security. Synonymous are the terms One World Government, Global Governance, globalization, & most recently - Agenda 21. All these terms are used interchangeably & at different times
to communicate to different audiences. Make no mistake - they all basically mean the same thing. Eisenhower warned us in his farewell address to the nation on Jan. 17, 1961 about the New World Order. He spoke of the importance of guarding against the potential influence of the "military industrial complex", the dangers of massive deficit spending, government influence on scholars, and a "scientific technoligical elite". Months later after taking office, President Kennedy spoke against the
New World Order in a speech on 4/27/1961. Public disclosure of the New World Order was silenced on Nov. 22, 1963 when President Kennedy was assasinated. While the New World Order continued to operate behind closed doors, voices began to emerge in the 1970's from an awakening liberty movement. In 1972, Gary Allen wrote with Larry Abraham, None Dare Call It Conspiracy. Antony Sutton wrote a series of books exposing the infrastructure of the New World Order including his most important work,
America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones in 1983. These developments are far more recent intrutions into American democracy & capitalism than what is inferred by the website attrinuted to luciferian conspiracy. The point is, the players are ever changing, because deception loses its powere once recognised. My criticism of GLORYBOUND's message is that it is errant in its relitivity. The info contained in his book & the sources it cites are antiquated &
in dire need of updating, if it is to be given any credance. Instead of applying due diligence toward such required editing, he choses to resort to ignoring what he may have 1st been called to, while resting upon his laurels & defending his lack of scholarly research. Beware, but be open minded. There is indeed a satanic plot against humanity, begun in Eden & always questioning "has God said?" Each of us must be concerned that we KNOW what God has said, NOT what conspiracy theorists insist
is important, but what God has revealed. "All of you be subject one to another, & be clothed with humility: for God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time: Cast all your care upon Him; for He cares for you. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions
are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, established, strengthened, & settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen" - 1Pt. 5: 5-11. Far better to rely on scriptural admonitions & the grace of God than fall prey to luciferian conspiracies that lack credibility & tend towards fear rather than promote faith. PEACE!
MJ Thomson, you yourself have shown yourself to be arrogant. You claim that your opinions are more important than facts. You avoid the real issue and that is you are protecting the Pope and the Vatican at the top of the New World Order. You use Bible verses to try to act righteous, while you won't answer why you claim there have been 266 Popes. Explain why you cover up the Catholic church hierarchy running the New World Order. The Luciferian Conspiracy goes back to ancient Babylon and the
Pope is the Roman Emperor and Pontifex Maximus of Babylonian Paganism. Why are you trying to claim that the conspiracy is only recent? The Jesuits themselves have been masterminding the CounterReformation since the 1500s. All the secret orders work for the Jesuits in Rome. The Bible calls Catholicism the mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth. The Pope unites all false religions and all kings and rulers of the Earth together to obey his commands.
They stir up wars from all sides and control the wars for their own ends to control nations and peoples and to make the Pope look like the answer for the world. They control the money, the media, the governments, the educational institutions, and all the world leaders. They are into total mind control and have been doing this since Satan deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Rome is the head that is controlling the Beast. Julias Caesar was the first Roman Emperor to also be
Pontifex Maximus of Paganism. Bible Christianity doesn't have priests and popes. The Roman Emperor Constantine created Catholicism by changing the names of the Pagan gods and festivals to Christian names and demanded that the Christians join his cult and give up their Bibles. The real Christians died for the Bibles that they had. Roman Catholicism has never been Christian.
@glorybound9876 Stop being shortsighted. If I were to be completely honest with you, you are the one being arrogant because you keep holding unto your short sighted and delusive view despite evidence that it has no basis in reality. In the real world, (not your dream world) Roman Catholicism is just a 'tiny fragment' of the millions of false religions that fragmented from the ancient Babylonian system. All false religions and belief systems on earth today are fragments of Babylon.
It is rather ridiculous and shortsighted to make Roman Catholism and the Pope the exclusive evil on earth. In fact, Constantine, the person who called the Council of Nicaea, was a really pagan. Many popes were secret society members (in secret) and they were/are subservient to the mysteries. Even Geoffrey Fisher, a former archbishop of Canterbury (Anglican archbishop in the UK) was a confirmed Freemason.
The New World order encompasses all false religious and intellectual systems. It is simply the construction of a new mind (consciousness) in humanity, a mind that makes man his own god and rejects the need for Jesus. The god could take the form of science, false beliefs, the intellect or on a deeper level, satan himself. You may not realize it but every time you reject the truth of God for a lie, you are making yourself a demigod and worshiping the very mind...
(i.e the very satan) that you claim to hate. The NWO is a fulfillment of Gen 3:4-5: You shall be as gods knowing good and evil if you eat of the tree. It is the mind that sits in God's temple (our body of flesh) and exalts itself as god by rejecting the need for God:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2 Thess 2:4
The New World Order cannot be understood without considering the words "mind "and "within". The NWO is a new mind that is going to work within man simple as abc. The mind that rejects God's counsel because it feels it is good enough, holy enough and intelligent enough. The mind that rejects the truth of God for reason and inner illumination. It is when the old mindset on earth religion, the fear of God, the recognition of a force beyond us is replaced by a new mind: One that recognizes
ONLY ITSELF and it's abilities.
Every form of religion in the world, including atheism adheres to the ancient mysteries and they worship either (or all) of the members pagan trinity which composes of the mother, the father and the son . Different names, rituals have been applied, (caused by the dividing of the language i.e doctrines of Babylon in Genesis 11) but the worship of the pagan god, the LIGHT, is the ultimate dogma. That supreme being is the light bringer, the spirit ...
...that empowers the intellect of the fallen man and like @mjthompson correctly observed, The NWO objective is the same objective shared by the Bahai's (and all mystery school)s : The unification of all religions into a singular consciousness( or mind) what the builders of Babel failed to accomplish (Gen 11)
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.1 Cor 2:16
The way out of Babylon is to worship and imbibe Christ. When you have..
Christ ruling in your life and enthroned in His temple (i.e your flesh) You will see things the way he sees them i.e as they really are and the Babylon in your heart will come crashing down:
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Rev 18:4
After thousands of years of relative stability, the people on the earth plane are undergoing a transformation in readiness for a Shift to a NWO. That is why we see advances in science that were thought to be impossible just 70 years ago. That is why sin has reached accelerated to a degree that would shock the sodomites. That is why occult teachings have become the norm in popular culture and on tv. That is why technological advances have been made that connect the world as one (the internet)
A new world order of peace understanding and a unified consciousness is being born, one that preaches tolerance over truth one that totally rejects Jesus as the only way to God:
"A great shuddering and irrevocable shift is overtaking us...A new mind, a turnabout in the consciousness in critical numbers of individuals, a network powerful enough to bring radical change in our culture. The network the aquarian conspiracy has already enlisted the hearts, minds and resources.....
of some of the most advanced thinkers and steadily growing numbers from every corner of American Society including nobel laureate scientists, philosophers, celebrities... who are working together to create a different kind of society.The technologies of expanding personal consciousness once the secret of an elite are now generating massive change in every cultural institution, medicine, politics, business, education, religion and the family.
-The Order has penetrated every segment of American society e.g the White house, Executive Branch, Legislatures, Political Parties,Foundations (Charities and otherwise) Think Tanks, Policy groups, Education, Media, Publishing, Banking, Federal Reserve system, Business, Industry, Commerce and even Churches. In many cases, the order is the founder of these organizations... They determine the goals and objectives as well as the methods of achieving them, then usually installs the 1st...
President, Chairman or CEO -
Terry Cook, Mark of the New World Order 1996 PG 96-97
So you see the NWO encompasses all belief systems and institutions and the way out is right now (His name is called Jesus), not a thousand years from now or in the next millennium. The devil always has a crafty way of making us put off important decisions. We keep saying the NWO is coming in the future the NWO is coming in 2050 when the NWO is being formed right before our very eyes.
In the real world the Kabbalah (not Catholicism) is the key to occult sciences which includes roman catholism (I am not referring to the jewish religion Kabbalah, Kaballah represents the underlying common principles that govern all the different paths and beliefs systems that fragmented from babylon. Only few people receive (have access to) these secrets and they are passed from generation to generation)
“Kabbalah is the key of the occult sciences.” – Albert Pike, 33rd Degree Freemason.
Masonry is a search after light (i.e intellectual illumination by satan). That search leads us directly back, as you see to the kaballah. Albert Pike Source: http://www.masoncode.com/Masonry%20and%20Cabala.htm
All truly dogmatic religions have issued from the Kabalah, and return to it: everything scientific and grand in the religious dreams of all the illuminati, Jacob Boehme, Swedenborg, Saint-Martin, and others, is borrowed from the Kabalah; all the Masonic associations owe to it their Secrets and Symbols. (Morals and Dogma, Albert Pike p. 744)
BERRITON - Thanks for taking this into a broader direction. Indeed, as you've stated - "It is rather ridiculous and shortsighted to make Roman Catholism and the Pope the exclusive evil on earth." Having shared that, I do not defend Catholicism; indeed much of my ministry has been an outright denunciation of its ritual & perversion of God's plan of salvation, substituting their system of priesthood over the completed work of our Hgh Priest - Jesus Christ. Peace!
GLORYBOUND – You stated about me: “You claim that your opinions are more important than facts.” Again, that is a gross misrepresentation; just the contrary is my position = FACTS are ALWAYS more reliable than mere OPINIONS. Once more, you refuse to debate the FACTS, instead you resort to personal attacks. You claim that I “avoid the real issue and that is you are protecting the Pope and the Vatican at the top of the New World Order”. Do you even bother to actually read my comments;
they indicate the EXACT OPPOSITE! Then you say I won’t answer why “you claim there have been 266 Popes”. There have been 266 persons who have held the office of pope, that is historical record!!!! Again, FACT, NOT OPINION! You ask, “Why are you trying to claim that the conspiracy is only recent?” I never claimed the CONCEPT to be recent, I cited both Old Testament prophecy & the doctrine of The Baha’i Faith which promotes that throughout history, God has sent to humanity a series
of divine Educators—known as Manifestations of God—whose teachings have provided the basis for the advancement of civilization. These Manifestations have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad. They teach that the New World Order is part of God’s plan & originated with Abraham – thousands of years before the United Nations!
When you ask me to “Explain why you cover up the Catholic church hierarchy running the New World Order”, I can only reply to you, where did you get the idea that I want to “cover up” anything? I merely want to encourage you to make the necessary editing to your book and theory. I never said that you are COMPLETELY wrong, only that much of your information is outdated & needs revision. Every credible work is subject to revision when better information becomes available.
You make many statements that ARE NOT TRUE such as – “The Bible calls Catholicism the mother of Harlots and Abominations…”. I have studied the Bible reading it through several dozen times since 1965. NOWHERE does it contain the term “Catholicism” (nor even the church of Rome). It is an OPINION based upon INTERPRETATION that teaches a link between Catholicism & John’s Revelation. Indeed, it is Babylon that is identified as the Great Whore, the significance of which refers to
ALL who worship false gods, rather than the ONE TRUE GOD. You rightly declare – “Julius Caesar was the first Roman Emperor to also be Pontifex Maximus of Paganism.” But your assumption linking Caesar to the pope is ludicrous, seeing that Julius Caesar pre-dates the papacy by hundreds of years. If Peter was the 1st pope, as Catholicism claims [but I do NOT believe], your link to Caesar makes him the 1st “pope”, & so history indicates.
By this I see an ages old plot in which the individual players have changed repeatedly, by name & organization – while all the time maintaining the SAME demonic plot. I NEVER doubted the objective or the demonic coordination behind the plot, I merely wanted to rectify some of things you claim about it, that are NOT consistent with scripture! As BERRITON rightly shared, "Every form of religion in the world, including atheism adheres to the ancient mysteries".
Your welcome @MJThompson. You do not even need to reemphasize the fact that you do not defend Catholicism because it is very glaring and evident that you do not. Anyone who has read your many posts on anoox knows that you do not in any way defend Catholicism. In fact, if anything, you have continually renounced it. But the truth is the truth and it has to be defended by people like you who love it and that is the reason why you took issue with @glorybound9876's fairy tale account of the pope..
and Catholicism. Many times, it appears that @glorybound9876 prefers to live in his fairytale world where the Pope is the antichrist instead of the real world were the antichrist encompasses all false beliefs and doctrines that negate Jesus Christ (the real and only Christ) and anyone who attempts to put him straight is labelled as a devil or a supporter of the Roman Catholic Church. @glorybound9876 rather than make a name for yourself, boost your ego, profit from book sales and spread..
lies that destroy souls, I advise that you allow Christ the chief corner stone to fall on/bruise your ego by humbly accepting that your perception of the antichrist and Catholicism is totally wrong. Of course that would mean that you have to admit that you are wrong and it might affect your perception in the eyes of men, but its a worthy price to pay in order to know the truth and be saved from the shackles of deception
..God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. James 4:6
Humility is the price that every true Christian has paid to know the truth. We were all born in lies and deception. We were estranged from God from the womb and we are liars by nature (John 8:44). It is those that are bold and humble enough to admit (to God) that they are liars by nature that come to know the truth of Christ:
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing... Rom 7:18
I presented facts that anyone can look up and research. You both use mere opinions based on who you think you are or what you claim to know. Again I ask , where did mJ Thomson get the idea that there have been 266 popes? Does he believe that the Popes of Catholicism go back to Peter as the first Pope? If he does, then he has not forsaken Catholicism but is a deceiver. If you defend him, then you are also defending the Satanic cult of Catholicism.
GLORYBOUND? – The historical record available thru various sources indicates 266 persons have been given the distinction as pope. Yes, this number begins with Peter (declared the 1st pope by Catholicism). I have already stated numerous times that I DO NOT AGREE with this or any of Catholicism’s teachings, but when researching the FACTUAL history of Catholicism, the records reveal what THEY profess about themselves.
Whether or not anyone accepts their belief about Jesus naming Peter as His successor [WITH WHICH I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE], the long established FACTS are that Catholicism DOES. Therefore, since the title & office of “pope” is unique to Catholicism, the record of the number of popes (266) is also a reliable & FACTUAL representation. You want reputable sources of this information? GOOGLE – “How many popes have there been” or “The number of popes since the 1st”.
The results will present hundreds of references including Wikipedia, most of which are NOT pro-Catholic, nor in any way affiliated with a positive attitude toward Catholicism. The FACTS are what they are whether or not ANYONE agrees with them. The number of popes must be something you think important --- what is your point regarding the actual number of popes? Do the FACTS confound your conclusions? Enlighten us; what significance is there in some other number? Remember, "pope" is a Catholic wor
CORRECTION: = Catholic word. It is invented by them & acknowledged ONLY by them. It is what they chose to refer to their self-appointed leader. No other organization. corporation, nor institution refers to its leader as "pope". I agre & understand fully that the earlier terms "Ponificus" is clearly an association from pagan origins to which Catholicism takes much from. But assumptions based on loosely interpreted correlations are naive. The rules of substantial evidence (the sum of
all related FACTUAL information) do NOT conclude without reasonable doubt the inferences you make about the pope. As I pointed out many times before, history records MANY other persons who were dubbed "antchrist" by the same loosely interpreted correlations, which all (including yours) call for speculation & opinion.
What you present as FACT, is mere theory. While I defend your right to share it, I do NOT need to forsake reason to disagree with it. The FACT that my professional 37 year career is as a theologian & biblical languages expert should provide sufficient credential to support these findings. The Anoox forum specifically asks for such credentials in very specific categories, to provide EXPERT answers. This is FACT, regardless of your opinion. Learn the difference between FACT & OPINION.
Colossians 1: …17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Ephesians 5: 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
Peter was never the head of the church. Constantine was the first pope of Catholicism as the Pontifex Maximus of Paganism
GLORYHOUND - (mis-spelling intentional) - You continue with personal attacks that ignore & reject all my both personal & professional statements. I refuse to stoop to your level. I rest my case & leave final judgment to the Anoox audience who have been subject to your foolishness.
For those who hold an interest in the FACTS regarding the pope, contrary to GLORYBOUND's info:The 2001 edition of the Annuario Pontificio introduced almost 200 corrections to its existing biographies of the popes. Constantine (272-337) convened & presided over the 1st Council of Nicaea in , the 1st ecumenical council. None of this, however, has particularly much to do with the popes, who did not even attend the Council; in fact, the first bishop of Rome to be contemporaneously referred
to as "Pope" (πάππας, or pappas) is Damasus I (366-384). Decades earlier Miltiades (311-314) was the pope at the time of Constantine, years BEFORE he was declared pope. Miltiades was the 32nd such person to hold the office. When he died, his successor, as pope was Silvester I (313-335). Several others were pope during Constintine's life, but Constintine himself was NEVER a pope. He was given the distinction of "Pontificus Maximus" but it related to his political office of Emporer of Rome,
with no religious significance as is the case when applied to popes. The Catholic pope uses various titles by tradition, including Summus Pontifex, Pontifex Maximus, and Servus servorum Dei. Each title has been added by unique historical events and unlike other papal prerogatives, is not incapable of modification. These are the facts consistent with well researched secular & religious history, readily available through many sources. PEACE!
@glorybound9876 But there are in Roman Catholicism so stop being contentious over non issues and stop acting as if you live on mars. You are so disconnected from reality and so arrogant for nothing. And if there is anyone that is basing his arguments on opinion it is you. It is a mere dream world opinion that the pope is the antichrist. It has no basis in reality and it is not Biblical. Stop spreading deceit and non existent illusions that have no basis in reality
Who said that there were popes in Christianity? Is that the contention on ground? Rather than cleverly avoiding issues, why dont you address the contention on ground, Besides if you were a true Christian, you would know that Jesus is our High Priest so it is misleading to say there are no Priests in Christianity because the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is our High Priest so yes, there is a High Priest in Biblical Christianity and His name is Jesus
It is people like you that make Christianity the laughing stock of the world and compass land and sea to get people to read your falsehood in order to make them sons of hell and lies. I advise you wake up to the real world cuz your illusory dream world were the Pope is the antichrist, where @MJThompson is a Roman Catholic where anyone that seeks to wake you up from your delusion is of the devil has no basis in reality and mark my word: it will soon come crumbling down on you
A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. Prov 18:2
Though you grind a fool in a mortar with a pestle along with crushed grain, Yet his foolishness will not depart from him. Prov 27:22
And in Roman Catholic tradition, there have been 266 popes so far.
That is what they believe and that is the simple fact that @MJThompson was trying to reflect. Any true Christian knows that Peter was never a pope and that Peter is simply an alteration of the word Pater (from which the word paternal comes from i.e father) and the pater is a symbol of the father, the proton, the positive charge, spirit of this world that the pagan mysteries are..
..founded on. But because @MJThompson does not live on mars like you and is not disconnected from reality, he was simply reflecting the Roman Catholic beliefs (which everyone who has eyes to see can see that he "clearly" rejects)
GLORYBOUND - You stated "There are no Popes or Priests in Biblical Christianity." According to scripture: "from Jesus Christ, Who is the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead, & the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us, & washed us from our sins in his own blood, & has made us kings & PRIESTS unto God & his Father; to Him be glory & dominion for ever & ever" - Rev. 1:5,6. "a great company of the PRIESTS were obedient to the faith" - Ac. 6:7.
Also - ". . . they shall be PRIESTS of God & Christ, & shall reign with him . . " - Rev. 20 :6. " Ye are a chosen generation, a royal PRIESTHOOD, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him Who has called you out of darkness into His marvellous light" - 1Pt. 2:9. New Testament Scriptures, letters written to & for the "Biblical Christian" church indeed refers to PRIESTS, yet your claims are contrary to it. Again, what is your expertise & related credentials?
God bless you @MJThompson for your clear and accurate quotations. Not only is Christ our High Priest, we are "priests unto God" and a "royal priesthood". Maybe @glorybound9876's 'bible' which states that the pope is the antichrist and the roman catholic church is the only evil on earth omits those "very obvious" facts.
I agree with those such as Faxonly and FoundingFathers that say that this issue yet again demonstrate the Hypocrisy of US media and power establishment.
But it also shows that large number of People think that Businesses have the right to stand by their religious beliefs as you can see from the $800,000 of Donations that the Pizza place got which said they would not server Gays, here:
Well my hat off to those People who stood up with this Restaurant owners freedom of speech and gave a finger to Gay agenda and their friends in the fraud Liberal Media like MSNBC. Lets not even talk about the lunatics on the rightwing Media like Fox.
1.2 Million have NO healthcare in Indiana as 50-Million+ have NO healthcare in USA before or after the joke called ObamaCare, because:
in USA Healthcare is operated on for-profit Wall Street basis rather than on no-for-profit Government run Universal Socialized basis as it is in all Developed Nations, including Israel the BELOVED Nation of Republican, Democrats & the Wall Street right-wing Media. Which FACTS the Joke that is ObamaCare, aka RomneyCare light, makes NO real difference in, because it continues to operate
healthcare on same basis as before Obamacare which is on for-profit Wall Street basis but just slaps an Ugly Web site on it.
And you do not see Tim Coock, MSNBC, Daily Show, etc. worry about these Millions of American with NO healthcare but ooooh they are all so upset that a Gay guy may not be served at Denny.
How Stupid do they think American People are!
Or how stupid are my fellow Americans!
This Indiana "Freedom of Religion" law and the Media & Wall Street power response to it are yet another reminder of the SCAM that they are playing on US and/or the Wall to Wall Hypocrisy that they are playing on US.
And to see these damning statements as being a damn fact, take the CEO of Apple Tim Cook and MSNBC that is supposed to be the Liberal Media to the ultra right-wing Media of Fox.
Tim Cook and MSNBC have both railed against this Indiana law where maybe, maybe, a few Gay man will be denied service at a Denny or having their Wedding cake made, etc. As if Gay man go to Denny anyway. And anyway for each restaurant that may deny service to Gay Couple based on this this law
100 would welcome that Gay couple.
OTOH, in this same Indiana 1.2-Million People have NO Healthcare, so if they get ill their choices is slow agonizing Death and you do not see Apple's Cook or other Wall Street Powers saying a Pip about this actually horrendous fact!
Yes, this is exactly what I said in response to this question.
But you have elaborated on the key facts much better than me.
So yes, this outrage by the fake Liberals over the Indiana "Freedom of Religion" laws while they are silent about the fact that 50-Mill+ Americans have NO healthcare due to the fact that Obamacare is exact opposite of Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare which is only way to run the Healthcare of a country are best proof of their Hypocrisy.
Millions in the world do not have indoor plumbing while others worry they might not be able to get $100,000 worth of cancer medications after they have been diagnosed with stage three lung cancer. Millions will go to bed hungry and would like some bread, but the money might be spent on artificial hips instead. If you fill out the affordable health care act forms you may get your govt. subsidized health care unless you are rich enough to be able to afford it yourself.
Dave8, what is wrong with you People! That is rather than look at the so called Millions of People in the World who do not have indoor plumbing, look at all developed Nations such as Canada, UK, France, Swiss, Australia, etc. whom all have "indoor plumbing" and more importantly they all give healthcare to all their People because they operate healthcare on Government run Universal Socialized basis. And the so called affordable health care act, which should be called un-affordable
care act is a joke of a health care reform since as noted for example in this Indiana with "Freedom of Religion" law, 1-Million+ People 5 years after passage of this joke called Obamacare still have no healthcare because this healthcare plan that Obama Admin passed is a healthcare plan proposed by the ultra rightwing of Republican party (aka Heritage Foundation), which plan became Romneycare!
In these facts you have your proof of what Fraud Obama is and what lunatics Repulicans
and Wall Street Media are. Yet, you do not see Tim Cook of Apple, or MSNBC, or DailyShow etc. speaking out as to these facts, speaking out as to the fact that 5 freaking Years after passage of ObamaCare 1-Million+ in Indiana as in all other US State have no healthcare, so a simple healthcare issue will kill them and bankrupt them and their family, yet these Mother Fawkers are all Sooooooo upset that a Gay guy may not have his wedding cake made by everyone in Indiana!
founding_fathers: To call Obama a fraud underlines, for me that is, a 'true' and more selective agenda you have. Tell me, is Obama a fraud because he honestly wants every American to have healthcare? Or is he a fraud because the those who completely appose him, are more than happy to see 'him' and his plan fail, as they have since he first went his campaign tours in 2006-2007? I am so sick and tired of so many "UNFAIR" statements being made against Obama, when there are
The presidents of the USA are put in place by the New World Order leaders that operate out of the Vatican in Rome. They own the world currencies, mass media, and control all the secret societies. The presidents are put in power for their loyalty to the secret societies and agenda of the New World Order. Elections are an illusion. TV is a tool of brainwashing to make you think that you are in control and that you don't need Jesus Christ. All the while the world leaders are programming you.
In direct response to your QUESTION - Do you think this is about "Freedom of Religion" as supporters of these Laws claim or "Backdoor to Gay discrimination" and "Homophobia" as detractor of these laws claim? – MY ANSWER is an emphatic, “NO”. Why is it that whenever any secular group cries “discrimination”, protests launch lobbyists & organized marches or sit-ins, but when it involves actions by organized religious groups, their RIGHTS are not equally validated? Actually, the majority of Americans have better things to do than spend time with such ridiculousness. It is always small factions that raise their complaints, wanting to impose their convictions upon society at large. They feel it is their right to object to religious values (& it is), but they don’t consider the same rights of the religious community. Those who do not want government restrictions against their particular lifestyle should be the first to understand that neither do those who do not agree with
such lifestyles want to be restricted. Fair is fair & justice must support equality. If that means making sure the one group’s rights never infringe upon another opposing group’s rights, then such laws must be implemented.
Homosexuals do not have the right to practice homosexuality. Murderers do not have the right to practice murder. Adulterers do not have the right to commit adultery. Thieves do not have the right to steal. People do not have the right to commit beastiality even if the animal consents. Necromancy, fortune telling, seances, prayers to the dead, hallucinogenic drug use, all have severe consequences on people and society as a whole. Why are children being taught to live homosexual lifestyles and subjected to public lewd behavior in parades and on TV? Because the Luciferian New World Order wants to depopulate the planet. Deadly vaccinations will soon be mandatory. Does a business owner have the right to not sell guns to a murderer? Does a business owner have the right to not make keys for a thief? Does a business owner have the right to shut down his business on Sunday or Saturday? The USA Constitution was written so that people can live freely according to their conscience.
People have rights as long as it does not impact someone else's rights. The things you describe all infringe on another person's rights. God gave us all a freedom of choice. While it may not be our choice, they have a right to make that decision. God sets before us, each day, life and death, we choose. God is love. You have a right to not participate but you do not have the right to try to force your will on them or them on you.
POC77, I haven't read your voice before, but hello to you. Understand, those who choose either desire to be Christian and/or are Christian, must be aware that we are a far cry from having RIGHTS as compared to PRIVILEGE where Almighty GOD is concern. For individuals who, according to scripture, don't even have the right to "walk in our own footsteps" then, surely, we don't have the RIGHT to even choose what we desire, especially things that go against GOD!
As for the homosexual, they live in a "perpetual sin" mode. Individual Christians, 'true' Christians, must adhere to our Lord's commands "Love ye one another!" My point is. Even though they are homosexual, the duty of all 'true' Christians is to abide by GOD's law, where they and all others are concern. In this, homosexuals should receive no less love than the love we give to anyone else. That being said, because of their lifestyle, and because GOD does frown upon such
behavior, we have a duty of "non-association" with them. In terms of non-association, I refer to any association that would indicate an "APPROVAL" or "ACCEPTANCE" of such behavior by 'true' Christians. Does this mean that a resturaunt owner cannot serve a homosexual in his/her resturaunt? No, not in my opinion. True Christians must do what GOD commands us to do, and as part of what we are commanded, we must teach them as much as they are willing to listen.
Society has a duty to God to enforce laws that prevent the evils that destroy a society from within. Every society that has morally regressed into the depravity of homosexuality or child sacrifice has been destroyed. The Babylonians were conquered by the Mede-Persians when they became effeminate. God has a purpose and plan for each person, but it is destroyed by sin. When sin becomes the norm and is paraded and expected, the civilization is wiped out.
It is really crazy to compare " practice homosexuality" with "Murderers"!
Don't you all think?
With that said, I agree with those whom say all this Media coverage about this nothing issue are just to divert our attention from what are really wrong with USA which wrongs are due to US Media and Government being controlled by Wall Street Rich & Military Industrial Complex & Israel Lobby.
Sex is intended for the procreation and preservation of the species. Gender roles promote stability and order and the security of the next generation. Strong family relationships and moral teaching promote the wellbeing of the society. Destroying gender roles and the purpose for sex weakens the family structure and the moral fabric of society. World leaders that want to dominate and enslave nations plot ways to weaken morals and destroy family roles and relationships.
Plato taught that fathers should not be allowed to live at home, that children should not know who their fathers are, that children should be taught by the state, and that women should be community property. He taught that a handful of philosopher leaders should rule the people through a subjected police force and that the rest of people should be slaves to the state working their jobs and having just enough to exist. This is the philosophy of the New World Order (Novus Ordo Seclorum).
Whenever laws promoting homosexual marriage is put before the voters, the people overwhelmingly vote against homosecual marriages. Then the judges rule in favor of it anyway or congresses pass laws in favor oc it anyway. The media, the politicians, ans the schools are all r uhh n by the people that own the world currencies, the illuminati, the rothschilds under the jesuits at the vatican in rome. The catholic priesthood is the mo as t sexually deviant bunch on earth.
The Word tells us not to let these types of issues dominate our time. We are to be salt and light. We are to love our neighbor as ourselves. On this weekend, especially, do not get caught up in these issues. If you think they are wrong, let people see your light. Do not be haters, be prayers, show the world something they do not have, let them want what you have.
Freewill is God's gift to man. If God the creator of the universe and the creator of its laws gives us the freewill to follow any path of our choice (with consequences of course) then who are we to "force" other people to live their life in a manner that conforms to our preferred standard of morality? Many of us who reject homosexuality forget that sinful habits transcend homosexuality. Many of us are liars, murderers, fornicators and hypocrites etc yet we ignore our flaws and...
...'crucify' people for being gay. Sin is sin. Be it homosexuality, stealing, lying, fornicating etc and it must be rejected with the same intensity that we reject homosexuality.
The Gays have a right to be gay (with consequences) Those who reject the homosexual lifestyle as abominable have a right to hold unto and practice their beliefs. They also have a right to refuse people services based on their sexual orientation. The government has no right to dictate how people think and act
When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
We must conform to Jesus standard of morality if we want to be saved but if we do not want to be saved, we are free to follow any standard that we wish.
As far as I am concerned, the Indiana "Freedom of Religion Law" is one of the many distractions that are designed to distract our attention from the more important issues that are being ignored by government. All..
Humans already have the Moral Code (Jesus) that they must conform to in order to be saved manifest before them and they have been given the freewill to either accept or reject it therefore, they do not need man made laws that do not reflect their choices forced down their throats. Government must respect people's beliefs and sensibilities because it is the people that empower it.
Wevhavevlaws that punish criminals because without punishments most people would do evil until the whole human race is destroyed. The bible gives the death penalty to murderers, kidnappers, and the sexually deviant for a good reason. There are penalties given against lying and stealing also. People do not have the right to commit criminal acts including anything that is sexually deviant. Your final judgment is not before gays but before God almighty. God hates homosexuality, beastiality
Beatiality, necrophilia, pedophilia, rape, and any other perversity so much that the bible says you must be out to death for such wickedness. Sodom, Gomorrah, and pompeii, were all destroyed for sexual deviancy. America is not far away.
@glorybound9876 I see your point but there is a clear difference between making laws that punish criminals and legislating and dictating how people live their lives. Jesus told us to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. To Caesar belongs our taxes but to God belongs our souls and our optimal obedience. Shadrach, Meschach and Abednego had to defy Nebuchadnezzar (the state) in order to remain faithful to God.
God gives all of us freewill. You have chosen to use your freewill to abstain from homosexuality Bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia, rape. But then who are you (or anyone for that matter) to impose your opinion on anyone? Are you a doer of the law or the judge? We can correct, warn, teach and exhort people to repent of such attitudes but we have no right to force anyone to conform to our moral standards.
..God never forces His will on his creatures. In the Old testament, all bond servants were allowed to go free after 7 years. It was only those who desired to remain slaves that went into the tent of meeting and were marked as owned. It is the same with us. God doesn't force anyone to be his servant. He even discouraged people from following Him and told us to count the cost before we follow him. It is those who realize like Peter that there is no better option than being Christ's slave
that God loves and uses. (John 6:68) There is no denying that everything you mentioned is an abomination. But the state and nobody in fact has any right to tell people how to live their lives. Any system that seeks to "impose: belief systems on people that are contrary to their convictions is satanic. Satan rules with fear God rules with love (God has not given us a Spirit of fear but of power of love and of a sound mind) Satan always imposes beliefs on the mass mind of society and attaches..
.. rewards and punishments to adhering to or not adhering to those beliefs in order to hypnotize people to conform to his agenda and that is why we are told not conform to the world (Rom 12:1-2). The world is not supposed to be the salt of the Church. The Church is supposed to be the salt of the world and we give taste to the world by living our lives in creative and Holy Spirit inspired ways that defy the mass mind (mind of the herd), not by imposing our beliefs on people.
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. Acts 13:46
George Orwell's His Book, 1984, portrayed a global society of total control in which people are not allowed to have thoughts that in any way disagree with the corporate state. There is no personal freedom, and advanced technology has become the driving force behind a surveillance-driven society. Snitches and cameras are everywhere. And people are subject to the Thought Police, who deal with anyone guilty of thought crimes. The government, or “Party,” is headed by Big Brother,...
who appears on posters everywhere with the words: “Big Brother is watching you.”Make no mistake about it: We all have a right to have our beliefs, think the way we like, worship God or not worship him, obey or disobey His laws and reject people whose ideologies we disagree with. Its "our" life and we and we alone are accountable for our actions...
Anybody who preaches and enforces conformity at the expense of personal liberty and choice is indirectly or directly seeking to enslave people to their agenda:
"[A] society in which people can be monitored at all times is a society that breeds conformity and obedience and submission, which is why every tyrant, the most overt to the most subtle, craves that system. Conversely, even more importantly, it is a realm of privacy, the ability to go somewhere where we can think....
...and reason and interact and speak without the judgmental eyes of others being cast upon us, in which creativity and exploration and dissent exclusively reside, and that is the reason why, when we allow a society to exist in which we’re subject to constant monitoring, we allow the essence of human freedom to be severely crippled.” Glenn Greenwald http://thedailybanter.com/2014/10/glenn-greenwalds-ted-talk-reminds-us-why-privacy-is-nece ssary-in-a-free-society/
@glorybound9876 I wonder why you derive joy in raising contentions over settled issues. My 1st statement when replying you was: "I see your point but there is a clear difference between making laws that punish criminals and legislating and dictating how people live their lives." The government has a right to create laws that punish criminals, killers because criminals and killers deny others of the God given free will to exist and live their lives. We are free moral agents but..
... our freedom to exist must not impede on other people's freedom to exist. We use public utilities so it is only normal that we our pay taxes. But we own our lives. It is God's gift to us and therefore we are accountable for all our actions.
Besides, you appear to be out of reality with many modern trends homosexuality is already legal in several states in the US. Gays and Lesbians would have a laugh at your willing ignorance.
As for your very laughable claim that I am free to free to spend eternity in Hell because I preach freewill, you are indirectly saying that Jesus and (who you to profess believe in) Paul is free to spend an eternity in hell because he emphasized freewill. If God with all his power tolerates hopeless, rotten and stinking sinners like me and you, then how dare you question God's clear verdict.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." - John F. Kennedy
Besides, since you advocate creating laws that suppress people and ENCOURAGE CONFORMITY at the expense of personal convictions/beliefs and want to be "subservient citizen" that obeys all laws, I guess you are gonna have to support , respect and recognize Gay marriages/unions because they are legal in CA even though the Bible very clearly forbids this.
Every society that has accepted homosexuality as normal or has accepted child sacrifice as normal has been destroyed throughout history. Homosexuality is not a God given right. The Bible says that homosexuals go to Hell. They do not get into Heaven and neither do murderers, thieves, and liars. Heaven does not tolerate any such wicked behavior. I guess if you want to live where homosexuality is accepted, then you will spend eternity in Hell with all the others who laugh at what is right.
glorybound9876: As one who does not believe that "all in Christ" go to heaven and "all not in Christ" go to hell (as 'hell' is believed by the vast majority), I understand your meaning in terms of "the Kingdom of God." Just as Paul so EMPHATICALLY states it at 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Yes, without a doubt, homosexuality will have no place in God's New Kingdom. Nevertheless, as it is part of this kingdom, be careful how your HEART is geared towards the homosexual. There is still the matter of
Cont'd>> loving and respecting one another (don't confuse love and respect as requiring an approval or acceptance) which Jesus was very clear on teaching. Or, you just might be condemning yourself to the same hell. Teach them as much as they will listen to you. Bash them, and they won't give you the time of day. Then, whose fault will it be that they won't listen? Will God's eyes not be on you?
Love the person but not the homosexuality. If people have any tendency to respect homosexuality it is sin. You must never respect sin or give it any place in this world or the next. You will be judged by your stance toward sin in this life. Jesus Christ has a higher standard than that of the law. The law forbids homosexuality. Jesus said that if you even allow it place in your thoughts it is sin and you must repent of it. Most people will reject the truth. Jesus promised that.
You cannot pick and choose which sins are OK to speak against. Jesus was crucified for speaking the truth. If they did it to Him, they will do it to His servants. Woe unto you when all men speak well of you because that is what they did to the false prophets. I am not here to please homosexuals, or murderers, or liars. I am here to serve God. He is the one to whom I must give an account. You know that judgment is near in a culture when homosexuality or child sacrifice becomes acceptable.
The Luciferians that run this world are pushing the homosexual agenda from the top down because they want to weaken and enslave the people and depopulate the planet. It is my fault if I do not tell people the truth. It is the fault of the people if they do not listen to the truth. Calling homosexuality, or murder, or lying a sin is not bashing. Saying that sin needs to have laws against it is not wrong. It is wrong for a society to not have laws against sin.
If you do not warn people that homosexuality is a sin, and that they need to turn from it if they are practicing it, then you are not loving them. Jesus preached to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is near. Repent and turn to God is the message of the Bible. Repent means to turn from sin, and that includes homosexuality. The world leaders are pushing to teach young children in the schools to be homosexuals and to avoid the Bible. Judgment on the USA is not far away. You are telling me that
I should be silent and not warn people of the consequences? btw, either you are in Christ or you are not in Christ. Yes, your final eternal destination is determined by that, and once you leave this world you have no way to change your final destiny. Laws are made because most people in this world need an outward restraint to prevent them from doing evil. Without those laws, there would be anarchy and chaos as there was before the Great Flood.
@glorybound9876 Stop acting as if you live on planet Mars. Are you living in a dream world? Do you not realize that homosexuality is the fast becoming the norm in most of the so called 'Modern' world? Gay marriages are legal in most states in the US (YOURS INCLUSIVE) so stop acting as if you live On planet Mercury. You live on planet earth and you happen to live in a state where Gay relationships are legal
And if you had read what I wrote earlier very carefully, you would have realized that I do not dispute that Homosexuality is an abomination which the Bible clearly condemns. Besides, why aren't you going with the law of the land which tells you to respect and recognize homosexuals and their relationships? Your actions clearly show that you subscribe to my view that we all have a right to freewill because you have rejected the law of the land that you live in favor of what the Bible says.
..and if you have a right to reject the law of the land in favor of what the Bible says, then why should you deprive people of the same right to disagree with you and your beliefs? You can preach, warn and rebuke people but you have no right to force your views on them. God Himself gives us the freewill to disagree with His Will or else there would be no sin on earth today.
One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws ..Martin Luther King (jr)
glorybound: Need to know something. Was your statement "Love the person but not the homosexuality. If people have any tendency to respect
homosexuality it is sin." directed towards my original post to the effect of "loving and respecting one another (don't confuse love and respect as requiring an approval or acceptance) which Jesus was very clear on teaching"? If so, reading my statement over may sure clarify my "true" position on homosexuality! I never said "respect homosexuality".
I believe that you should not be forced to do anything against your religious beliefs. I also believe you should not be able to discriminate against anyone. This is a difficult question because I see both sides. I believe I have rights as long as they do not infringe on another person's rights.
I agree with those who are for religious freedoms basis of not condoning Gay (aka Anal Sex). And in agreement of the incredible power that Gay Wall Street Money has over US Media, but the Gay lobby has NOTHING to do with the Left or Liberal since most of the Wall Street right-wing Media are Gay. And in fact it is the Republican and Dems who have passed one pro Gay law after another while Voting on War after War after War.
Faxonly - please supply the source of your info - especially to support your outlandish claim "most of the Wall Street right-wing Media are Gay". You apparently do not have a full understanding of how to rightly associate the agenda of each of the two primary political parties (Democrat & Republican). The gay rights movement is the move of left-wing liberals, primarily among Democrats. Unbiased research shows that the gay lobby is NOT associated in any way with right-wing conservatives.
The Constitution says religious freedoms are not to be infringed upon, we are not to condone any sexual immorality nor things that God calls an Abomination. In Romans 2 God is also calling those to repentance.
Personally I think most of America is for religious freedoms, but the militant left like Stalin communist keep attacking Christians so they can control Americans instead of Americans relying upon God
If you were another planet and listened to US Media you would think that the only problem facing US is Gay (anal sex) and ISIS when US has far greater problem from 50,000 Amerikans dying per year due to No healthcare to 30,000 Amerikans killed per year due to insane Gun laws and endemic poverty while the Wall Street class is flying on their $50Mill private jets to their $100Mill mansions to have all sort of Sex such as Gay sex!
This has nothing to do with Homophobia as it is called. This is more about allowing each person, or organization the right to pursue their religion without penalty. I find it interesting that nobody is talking about Muslim, just Christians who reserve the right to serve who they want based on their religious beliefs. We need to protect our right to religious freedom before some group like ISIS come along and tell us believe this way or die.
1st, those Moslem countries that are most intolerant, in fact they are THE Islamic State and behead People on regular basis, even behead People over something as mundane as Sex, and specially Gay Sex, that is Saudi Arabia, is the most favorite nation of the Republicans, Democrats and right-wing Media!
2nd, there are Moslem countries that are most tolerant, they tolerate any and all religion and more, such as Turkey.
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Yes, exactly the same right-wing Media such as Fox news, CNBC, etc. who foam out of their Mouth fear mongering about poor Islamic People, or Islamic People being bombed by US & Israel, love the ultimate Islamic State which is Saudi Arabia given the fact that US & UK are selling Saudi Arabia the most advanced Weapons, Saudi Arabian Kings & Shieks are biggest investors in Rupert Murdochs right-wing lying machine of Fox, etc.
Wake up people, they are playing one sick Con Job on US.
So are we to accept your ideas about "right wing-media" fabricating these reports? You believe terrorist threats to be mere fantasy? You attribute the source of such lies to conservative politics? Compare reports by United Press International, Associated Press, Reuters & Agence France Presse - the 'big four' international news agencies that provide over 90% of global news reports. Their reports are consistent with Fox & CNBC. What are your sources?
Turkey genocided about one million Armenian Christians peaking in 1915. They do not promote Christianity to this day. Saudi Arabia does not allow any of its citizens to convert to religions other than Islam. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. once had an alliance against the atheist U.S.S.R. (Russia) after Stalin banished religion and sent millions to forced labor camps in the far north. Saudi Arabia has beheaded or deported Saudi citizens who converted to Christianity.
You know what is amazing about this non-issue, is that entire US Media is gaga over this "Freedom of Religion" act where a few Gay people may not have their Wedding cake made or may not be served in a Dinner in Indiana, etc. non-issue,
WHILE at the same time 100-Million+ Americans either do not have Health Care or they cannot afford their Health Care, since typical insurance offered through Wall Street run Health Care, that is before or after the Joke called ObamaCare, costs an un-affordable $500 per Month in Premiums, but as bad as that is it gets MUCH WORSE since these plans come with $10,000 per person per Year in deductibles, plus 20% co-pays, etc. rip-offs.
And NO ONE in US Media is worrying about these 100-Million+ Americans but they are all so upset about few Gay men not getting served at a Dinner!
Yes, that is so true.
That is exactly what we were thinking, that is we have so many problems in USA, such as Healthcare being a disaster for most American people, because we lack something as basic and essential as Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare, something that they have in Canada, you know the country North of us, and in fact all developed Nations, yet the Main Stream Media (aka right-wing Media) covering this BS about Gay Sex and a lil law about this in Indiana!
Unlimited health care at no extra cost is a myth. The VA system is yet experiencing delays with some patients waiting three months to see a doctor. The health care system has problems with outrageous lawsuits. Malpractice insurance is too expensive. Medical school is too expensive. Drugs cost billions to develop then there is risk of billion dollar lawsuits for defective drugs. Some cancer drugs only extend the life of a patient a few months and cost a fortune.
Dave8, are you brain dead or leave in a Cave!
That is, not 70%, not 80%, not 90%, but 100% of all developed Nations, have had Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS) for many Decades.
And NHS has NO cost you Moron, it is paid via the Taxes that the People pay. You know how we Americans pay Taxes, but our Taxes are wasted on War after another War for Israel, which Israel by the way has 100% Universal Socialized Healthcare.
And the "The VA system is yet experiencing delay..." because VA system is part of the for profit Wall Street run health care rather than health care being operated on Government run Universal Socialized basis. After all in Canada, UK, Sweden, etc. Nations with NHS, including Israel the beloved Nation of Republican lunatics & fraud Obama Democrats, you do not see them having "three months to see a doctor" and instead they give health care to all for 50% LESS than it costs in US!
DisWay look at Cuba. They have a nationalized health care system, but the people draw less than $100 a month in salary. Someone is going to smoke all his/her life then go running to the hospital with cancer and will die on average ten years earlier at great public expense. They will try to get someone else to pay for it. Some elderly cannot afford to see a doctor as the Medicare copay is more than what they have.
HELLO EVERYBODY! Look, as much as I'd like a strong NHS in place, let's be realistic for a moment. We are quickly creeping up on the 400,000,000 mark in terms of population here in America. That's more people than Cuba, Canada, Israel, and you can throw in a few more countries for good measure, combined! Now, ask yourself from a Christian standpoint this question: "How many Doctors here in America, the home of the American Dream, do you believe would be willing to cut their medical profits for
Dave8, how can you have written all that insane non-sense!
1st, why look at Cuba! Look at 00% of all developed Nations,that have had
Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS) for Decades, such as Canada, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Sweden, Norway, etc. including Israel the beloved Nation of Republicans & right-wing Media.
2nd, Cuba as a developing Nation would be doing even better with her Health than she is already if it was not because of US sanctions
3rd, you buffoon, you wrote:
"Some elderly cannot afford to see a doctor as the Medicare copay is more than what they have."
EXACTLY! That is if we had Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS),then we eldery would pay ZERO for Co-Pay, as the eldery pay ZERO for Co-pay in countries that have NHS. To be exact in countries with NHS; which is again 100% of all developed Nations all their People get Healthcare FREE for Taxes they pay for life while they spend 50% LESS on Healthcare!
@DisWay You do not need to label people that disagree with you as morons, buffoons and brain dead in order to drive home your point. @Dave8 is entitled to his opinion in the same way that you are entitled to yours and he is not obligated to agree with your opinion no matter how smart you may think it is.
Having said all that, I understand why you are so passionate about this issue. I agree with you that issues like healthcare are under-reported in the Mainstream media but then..
...a good healthcare system is not the ticket to paradise. There are so many other under-reported issues in the media. The unjust wars that are funded by tax payers, the inequality btw the rich and poor (a recent report claimed that 85 of the world's richest people are richer than the 3.5 billion poorest) the unjust spying on innocent Americans communications all in the name of fighting terrorism. In fact, many of the people in the so called 'developing nations...
..despite the fact that they benefit from the so called "Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS)" still dream of living in the US because of the challenges associated with living in their respective countries. Every Country has their own peculiar challenges. The lack of Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS) is just one of the myriads of challenges that the US faces.
BERRINTON, I do not think DisWay has labeled "people that disagree with him..." but that how can be it that so many in USA still do not know these facts:
1- What Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS) is
2- That 100% of all developed Nations have it
3- Why 100% of all developed Nations have it
Because the right-wing Wall Street cabal that is benefiting from People in USA not having NHS, also controls entire US Media and thus has turned it into a right-wing lying machine. And
one of the ways that they go about American People not focusing what are the real problems of USA, and the Healthcare situation in USA is just one horrendous example, is by diverting American peoples attention by either Fear Mongering such as Iraq War in 2002 due to WMD or Iraq War today due to ISIS or Bull Sheeeeet non-issue issues such as this Gay issue in Indiana, etc.
It is wrong (and rather childish) to label people as morons and buffons and ask if they are brain dead simply because they do not agree with you. It's a free world. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
I did not " label people as morons and buffons and ask if they
are brain dead simply because they do not agree with me..." but that how can they not be aware of what Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS) is? Something so essential to the well being of a Nation that 100% of all developed Nations have it, and 100% of all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc. are all 100% for it.
Which facts are 100% proof that this broohahaha over this Gay related issue in Indiana are just more Bull Sh***t by the Wall Street right-wing Media and Republicans and Democrats to divert our attention from what is really wrong with USA, such as even lacking something as essential as Universal Healthcare. For example take this same Indiana, 1-Million+ People in Indiana have NO health care, yet the outcry by fake Liberals is that few Gays may not get have their Wedding cake made!
The U.S. has free health care for the poor in the form of Medicaid, has Medicare, has Obamacare. Even the French system requires co-payments and payroll withholding taxes. In Canada the number of people waiting to see a doctor is at times acute causing some to go to the U.S. for healthcare and pay out of their own pockets. Sick socialists and communists want free everything. No state has enough free things for them. The bums cannot find a place that has free everything. They rage on.
One important question, everybody: "Why do we continue to have this conversation? This is going back and forth, and, then, back and forth again!" Let's go on to something else. Look, I'm going to post another question. Hopefully, it won't cause another back and forth disagreement!
Sin is the problem with society , not healthcare. Some people want to sidestep the real issues that plague the world because they dont want to be confronted with their own sins. Disway is the bufoon and moron. The very name disway shows this person to be immoral , arrogant, disrespectful, and in need of repentance.
@DisWay I could ask a similar question: How can you not be aware that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that they do not necessarily need to agree with you? One thing is certain and cannot be denied no matter how you try to roll the dice: You did indeed refer to @ Dave8 as a buffon and a moron and it was uncalled for. You do not need to refer to people as buffons and morons in order to make your point. Having said that, I was clear earlier on that I agree with you to an extent.
Dave8, you have proven what utter lunatic you are by saying:
"Sick socialists and communists want free everything...."
Given these facts:
No one is talking about "free everything....", but free Healthcare for all for Taxes that we pay. Something that is so right and essential for well being of a nation that it is 100% supported by all Conservative parties, repeat for you Republican lunatics, by all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Australia, Israel, etc.
Or are you such lunatic to call all Conservative parties, repeat for you Republican lunatics in USA and right-wing Zionist owned Media that makes you what you are, all Conservative parties, in Europe, Canada, Australia, including Israel, etc. to be "Sick socialists and communists" for all these Conservative parties are 100% for their Government run Universal Socialized Healthcare (NHS)
Socialized medicine is gearing up to depopulate the planet through mandatory vaccinations and enslave the rest of the population through mandatory RFID tracking implants. Sin is the problem with the world. Repent and receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before it's too late for you.
WOW WOW WOW!
How can you Republicans in USA be such utter complete lunatics to actually say:
"Socialized medicine is gearing up to depopulate the planet"
Please keep saying to prove to the entire World how the Zionist owned Media, aka Wall Street owned Media, has turned you People into utter complete lunatics. OK? Do not stop saying:
"Socialized medicine is gearing up to depopulate the planet"
I'm not a Republican or a Democrat or any other political party. The mass media is run by the Jesuits at the Vatican in Rome. You watch too much TV. Bill Gates funds GAVI at the UN which is the program to depopulate the world through vaccinations. The link I gave you shows Bill Gates admitting to it. The UN is also run by the Vatican in Rome and Lucius Trust (aka Lucifer Publishing) is their publishing house. You really don't know anything do you?
It does not matter which Political affiliation you give yourself, but if you say the same Lunatic non-sense as TEAPublicans say, and watch the psycho lying machine of Fox and listen to the psycho lying machines of Rush, Beck, etc. who are funded by Zionist Intel. to turn you into a lunatic, well then that is you are as per saying that:
"Socialized medicine is gearing up to depopulate the planet"
while your BELOVED Israel has Socialized medicine and one of highest population growth rates!
prop·a·gan·da [präpəˈɡandə/] noun: Propaganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. How interesting that the very one's who claim a media conspiracy are guilty of promoting their own spin on the news = propaganda.
I don't watch or have a TV Faxonly. How do you know what the TV says unless you are the one that is watching it and being brainwashed? You are being sidetracked from the real issue of sin in your own life and your need for Jesus Christ.
@Holistictherapist I don't know your definition of hatred but if your definition of hatred is a non tolerance of sin and deception, then your so called 'love' is really hatred. We live in spiritual deception where like George Orwell wrote: WAR IS CALLED PEACE, FREEDOM IS CALLED SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS CALLED STRENGTH, ... True love, the kind of love that saves souls is intolerant of deception and lies because they destroy the soul True love says the truth as it is in order to save the souls..
The Bible is definitely against homosexuality, fornication, and adultery. It does allow for some people to remain single. Whether or not this bill will allow a wider array of discrimination based on individual religious rules is yet to be seen. A pastor may not wish to perform a gay wedding. I think that is a valid right. Someone not selling a piece of real estate to an atheist because the atheist does not attend a mosque might be a problem.
From the Bible's stand point the only true spiritual freedom is the freedom to worship the living God--the God of the Holy Bible. America's founding fathers knew this. The worship of any other god, ideology or life-style is plainly spiritual imprisonment. For only God gives men true "religious freedom". Man cannot do that. When godless men claim to offer religious freedom it is effectively a farce. For all they can present is a melting pot of paganism, which God hotly condemns and will destroy. So when a Christian tries to decide between these choices of godless men, he falls into a trap of trying to decide between good and evil (both established by the Devil)--the same trap into which Adam fell, when he turned away from God's liberty. For what is being blatantly ignored is the well-know truth that God has already declared what spiritual freedom is, and that it is in belonging to and following after His Holy Son, Jesus Christ.
No the founding fathers did not want separation of Church and state they did not want a state governed church. The separation of church and state letter was Jefferson responding to a school that wanted to bring in its own church into a school. Jefferson said they could bring in their own church because the state can't tell you which church you want inn school. The FDR Supreme Court ommited almost all of the letter exempt the Separation of Church and state.
DPorter - Excellent points! Secular government, while acknowledging a form of godliness, comes far short of operating under a true theocracy that fully embraces & devotes itself to submission to the revealed will & purposes of the ONE TRUE GOD.
charlote_seattle - As Golfer alluded to, separation of church & state was Jefferson's response to a local issue. Whether or not he ever intended it to lead to national / federal law is suspect. What is clear is that his intent was that government never interfer in religious matters. Today's "politically correct" social attitude seems to embrace the opposite interpretation --- that the church cannot interfer with government. This is NOT what Jefferson intended.
Absolutely MJ, and well put! I must confess, all my life I have been a Democrat where politics are concern. Though I realize that there is no government nor individual who will add one day to my life, I have voted each and every year nevertheless! Tell me, MJ, how great of a FOOL does that make me? In a society such as ours, and societies throughout the world, diversity in government and citizenship makes it almost impossible for the two sides to come to an agreement
that will please both GOD and mankind. Such makes it clear to me, to vote for this one or that one is a waste of time. A waste of time the Bible makes clear with each and ever passage. This will be my next step. To stop voting for things which will never be, except by the HANDS OF GOD HIMSELF!