From a non-religious standpoint, I believe it is absolutely possible. According to quantum physics, energy (which is what our life force/spirit/soul is), can neither be created or destroyed, enegy can only change forms. So scientifically, it is totally possible, even probable, that reincarnation/rebirth after death is real and happens.
We each of us have a choice, if we are evolved enough, to go on to a dimension of our choice. If we are not evolved enough we automatically reincarnate to this dimension. It is obvious from the exploding population rate that the vast majority are not evolved enough to make this conscious choice.
If you believe them, the ancient scriptures that are the foundation of the Holy Bible are clear that death is a return - body to soil, spirit to God who gave it. No where do they mention a repetitive life and death cycle. Jesus does say - you must be born again, but this is a spiritual birth necessary to enter into the Kingdom of God on earth, which will be established and ruled by Christ in the next eon, or age. Also he was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, and gave this message to them. The Apostle Paul's message is for the believers of this eon, who have become a new creation, and await a deliverance of their body through resurrection. Each group in its own class and timing set by God in His wisdom. Ultimately when the purpose of the eons reach the consummation we all will be resurrected, and God will be All in All.
God operates all according to the Council of His Will. All is out of Him (Rom. 11:36, 1 Cor. 8:6), and He subjects all to Him. God is in control. He chooses (Rom. 9:15-16, Ex. 33:19). If we have faith, it is a gracious gift from God. It is not out of us (1 Cor. 4:7). The traditional view of heaven is not scriptural, but is influenced by pagan beliefs i.e. Valhalla or The Elysian Fields. God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1). Later the earth needed to be restored. (Gen. 1:2).....
No reincarnation, but we who believe in Jesus have been Born Again by faith not works. We all will become a spirit after death as we were created BY A SPIRIT GOD. THE THEORY YOU REPRESENT IS WISHFUL THINKING BY PEOPLE WHO REJECT SALVATION. Isn't everything is life Physical, Spiritual or mental? Satan comes to kill steal and destroy. Kill the physical steal the word of god mental and destroy our spiritual relationship with God. So any theory that takes us away from the Word of God falls into one of those 3.
Life and Spirit are not 'christian". You will shed this "belief" in your next reincarnation, because you are not ready to allow it to die in this existence. However, your belief in SOMETHING is the first step TOWARDS your liberation FROM it. Even your dependency on your beliefs must die before you can be reborn.
To attempt to explain an out of body experience, for example, is very difficult to someone who has not had one. In much the same way, to explain a mind that is eternal and limitless is difficult to a mind that closes itself OFF FROM its eternal possibilities. Your thinking is constipated, and your probably suffer from obesity. It is time for you to grow up. Consider this message one that Yeshua sends you.
Well in ancient beliefs they believe there was live after death, and that you would be reborn, and still in some believes today the believe that you will be reborn, Christian are about the only one that have this death and no rebirth, accept in heaven , and to be punish is in hell, but there is NO hell the word come from the word Hele the Goddess on of the underworld, which if you understand ancient writing the underworld is earth Not what it is understood as of today, Many Pagan beliefs believe in rebirth after death,,
@Tebelle Your statement Life is eternal, death is a latent form of life is contradictory because if life is eternal, then it means that death does not exist. Death by definition is the absence of life and therefore, death cannot have life. Secondly, death is the opposite of life so if life is eternal, then it automatically means that death is eternal.
Thirdly, it is impossible for an eternal being to live more than once in time because if life is eternal, then it means that in reality, time does not exist because time unlike eternity has a beginning and an end. Also, time implies change. In time we grow old, we grow wiser, we become weaker. Seasons change, generations come and generations go. But eternity is permanent and unchanging. It has no beginning or end. Eternal beings are always the same.
How is it possible for the "same" eternal being to live (experience life) a million times (in different forms) in illusory time when time does not exist in the eternal state? For example lets imagine a woman who lived in year 1400 reincarnating as a man in year 2000. Is it possible for the same eternal soul to "consciously" exist in two forms concurrently? (concurrently because time does not exist in eternity
If life is eternal, then it means that death is also eternal because they are totally opposed to each other. By definition, Life cannot have death and death cannot have life so death cannot be temporal because that would mean that death is a form of life. Death and Life are spiritual states that men occupy. Life is the spirit of Jesus Christ. The nearer you are to Him the nearer you are to life. The further you are from Him, the nearer you are to death
By dying to the eternal death and lack of Christ, we live to the true life Jesus Christ. When we seek an illusory i.e temporal/artificial/false or time based existence outside life who is Christ, our souls die.
Reincarnation does not have any basis whatsoever in Reality, simply because we cannot exist more than once at a time. . What you refer to as eternal life is simply another name for the Ego generated by the serpent/kundalini mind.
..which has conjured up the image of itself, which is just a "thought", and which in turn manifests as 'eternal' light & unfortunately, which majority of people worship as the eternal and undying god/truth of this world. However, the light is not god, it is based on a flawed reality It has no substance, no Truth, no eternal foundation. Reincarnation does not occur because life outside Christ is just an illusion, ..
..just temporal light images that scatter in 7 directions (7 chakras or 7 colors of the rainbow), that produce illusory ideas that we worship as truth. An
example of this is turning off the light in the room of your house. Once it's gone out, it's gone OUT! That light "cannot" come back. A new and different light can come where the previous light used to shine, but the new light that appears, is a different light, with a new energy feeding it.
Once a thought has played out its role, ... that's it. It's gone forever. You can only "re"member what you thought about yesterday.Once the illusory life we live plays out its role, its gone. We can only remember those that have died in the past. But Jesus never changes. He always is and always remains the same Therefore there can be so reincarnation of a human returning in some new manifestation of the old energy.
Energy is Thought/thoth, and when someone is said to reincarnate once again in this world, it's only a new thought being initiated, manifesting as a new energy, which is of course, a lie. Energy is a product of Thought, and Thoughts are always lies. Wisdom doesn't think. Wisdom just knows all things , Wisdom is eternal i.e not subject to time and Wisdom is Christ.
Claiming that life exists outside Jesus life is equivalent to claiming that the images that electric current and camera lightings generate in a tv are real. Are the images in the tv real people? Is the light that generates the images real? The answer is no. They are fake. They are mere projections of the real person that exists outside the tv set. We are not light. We are the not the tv. We are merely the person outside the set being fooled to think we are tv people of light and form.
Like hypnotized gamers, we associate ourselves with the computer generated characters in the game called life.We are fooled to think that when we lose a life, like characters in games, we can have 3 more lives without realizing that the characters are not real. We are not the characters in the game. We are dead souls playing the game of life with our bodies . We are souls hypnotized (by light current) to believe that we are the bodies and electricity/life in the game. Big lie.
Since life outside Christ is one big lie, when the big lie dies i.e once the game ends, the electricity/ light that generates the fake us would be put out and we would return to our dead and lost state outside the tv i.e stop being projected as tv images
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Heb 9:27
Thought is energy because every physical and spiritual manifestation in the universe is energy and the only way to discern these manifestations is through thought. i.e what we see is 1st of all deciphered by our minds (either by our 5 sense mind or by what occultists refer to as the 6th sense. ) Quantum physics also theorizes that quanta , the building block of matter does not become something with materiality (physicality) or location with consciousness (awareness, thought) to
I meant without consciousness (awareness thought)
...... collapse the wave function. i.e no consciousness no matter and location in the universe. So every manifestation (which is energy) is first and foremost a thought before it manifests as form. You must feel (realm of thoughts) hungry 1st before you translate your hunger into form.
Tebelle - the idea of a soul experiencing multiple lives & in between death is a latent form of life is consistent with eastern mysticism's reincarnation, which is contrary to Christian theology's rsurrection. "Rebirth" by reincarnation's theory is the constant changing from one form into another of the universe. of which ALL life is a part. Such universalism is polytheistic (god in everything; every thing in god) but by "god" the implication is merely an impersonal force or energy.
Christianity teaches instead a resurrection of individual souls (personal beings) by the power of a personal deity (Almighty God; ONE GOD; Supreme Being). Resurrection involves a life after death reuniting of the departed soul (at physical death) with the body, once mortal & corrupt, now "reborn" by which the body is raised incorruptible & immortal (eternal life). This experience is regarded as a "gift" & ONLY those who have a right personal relationship with God become the "fortunate". God has
made this "gift" readily available to ALL people through the revelation of His written Word (Scripture; the Bible), & His own incarnation as Christ. Those who do not accept this revelation are without excuse & though God is NOT willing for any to persih, many shall due to their stobborn rebellion. "For the invisible things of HIM from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power & Godhead; so they are without excuse - Ro 1:20.
@MJThompson All practitioners of Eastern mysticism etc need to learn to question the reality that is presented to them. It is true that all life (every part) is a unique expression of the whole because even the Bible makes us understand that we are all unique expressions i.e children of Adam and Eve because we are all sinners:
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.Gen 3:20
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.1 Cor 15:22
and as a result we all have their sin encoded into our dna (in our natural unrepentant state)
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Eph 2:2
But we are "unique" expressions of the whole and because we are unique, we can only live once. For example Adam and Eve are long dead. But their sin keeps regenerating and creating sinners in their own...
..image and likeness. Science tells us that energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can be transformed from one form to another.In the same way no human being can be created outside Adam and Eve and the sinful serpent consciousness of sin that gives them the illusion of life (the original energy configuration) and that is why we are all universally sinners i.e we bear their image.
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image Gen 5:3
Energy cannot be destroyed meaning Adam and Eve +serpent knowledge configuration is the original sinful energy that keeps on recreating itself and manifesting in the universe. This energy must keep flowing in order for this world to exist.
Energy can change form Even though Adam and Eve are dead, they live in us. Remember the Lion King soundtrack by Diana Ross: He lives in you, He lives in me. The seed of the father lives in the son. Our great grandfathers are long...
...dead and can never come back but their genes live in us today.
But just like thoughts that are unique and can never come back again, each unique expression of the whole can only occur once. Once they are gone they are gone forever. I can only remember who I was 10 years ago. Its gone forever The water I drank yesterday is gone forever. I have to drink a new cup of water today & because they only occur once, they have only "one" chance to seek salvation (or release from the serpent spirit).
@MJThompson. I addressed them to you because you wrote: Rebirth" by reincarnation's theory is the constant changing from one form into another of the universe of which ALL life is a part. I was relating the "reincarnation theory" that you referred to with how the fall of the whole (Adam and Eve) is reflected in every part that proceeded from them.
Not at all MJ. You were very comprehensible as usual so there was no need to ask any question. Its funny how eastern mystics, new agers etc fail to get the simple message of Christianity . Its funny how they have been programmed to label the wisdom of Christianity as foolishness . Christianity does not deny the holographic (whole in every part) nature of the universe. It doesn't deny the fact that the whole of nature is connected energetically. In fact those are its points...
The whole of nature is a manifestation of the Adam +Eve +serpent energy configuration. Meaning the whole nature (atoms,plants, animals, planktons, etc,) proceeds from that configuration.
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Rom 8:21
The only difference between Christianity and Eastern Mysticism, New age movements etc is Eastern mystics, occultists etc claim that the lying configuration is god..
..On the other hand, Christianity recognizes that it is fallen adam, eve+ the accursed satan energy configuration of error. The original light/lie or what kabalists refer to as ohr ein sof is merely an illusion. It is a false projection/thought that passes away and never returns. It is satan transformed as an angel of light.
The gods and goddesses of the pagan mysteries are symbols of 1. The serpent i.e the god of this world , the superconscious mind, the 'good' part of the forbidden fruit in Eden that is "latent" in the subconscious mind or in the words of mystics, the solar mind that is the 'light' (ein sof )of this world
2.Eve i.e the subconscious mind or in the words of mystics, the reflected or lunar mind. The 1st ingester i.e the womb/matrix of 'the serpents' recommended fruit.
3. Adam the unconscious mind. In our natural state we are unconscious. Meaning the unconscious mind is our god. when we are born into this world, our minds (or our Adam's) are unconscious and that is the reason why we are naturally ignorant of the inner superconcsious nature that is hidden in the matrix of our unconscious. i.e Our unconsious mind (or our Adam) is ruled by the subconscious (female) or dream/lunar/reflected state of things.
In the Bible Eve was the 1st to taste from the fruit and later "gave it" to Adam (the perfect, Adam before the fall). Relating this to occult doctrine, initiation into the mysteries (or in the words of mystics going into the matrix of the subconscious /female mind ) is the path of making the goddess or subconscious mind super conscious and thus changing our individual unconsious Adam into a superconscious/serpent mind. The female gives the fruit to the male meaning only by going within..
the female can you access the fruit because the female (subconscious) is the receiver of fruit.
The whole Adam and Eve scenario also applies to Christians as well. As Christians, our Adams (or our earthly minds) have been regenerated by Christ i.e we have the mind of Christ 1 Cor 2:16. But everyday we get tempted by our subconscious/emotional mind, to ignore God who we consciously know to be true and follow sin. When our Adam's that know the truth of the gospel choose to ignore the truth
..and follow the seductive Eve's of societal pressures, our own lusts our own ways we are reliving how Adam who knew the truth chose to ignore it and hearkened unto the voice of his wife (Gen 3:17)
So in Christ, the original Adam, Eve, serpent configuration is nullified in the believer (because they are lies). We have a new Adam (Jesus mind) and the latent power in our Eve (emotional nature) dies everyday (bruising of the kundalini serpent Gen 3:15). We ignore the voice of Eve...
..in order to hearken to the voice of Christ who rules in our minds.
The gods of the pagan mysteries refer to 1. Adam god in our unconscious state Santa klaus, saturn the old man.
2. the serpent: god in our superconscious state. The light level of creation. Festival of lights, the new self that is born when the unconscious unveils his subconsious;
The Hexagram is a geometrical symbol of the Sun. The Sun is an external symbol of the One Reality or the One Self that is manifest in all things.
....One of the most significant of all realizations for the Adept is that s/he is the Sun made manifest in the flesh, an incarnation of the Lord of the Solar System. The Hexagram is the Sign of such an Adept. Source http://davidcherubim.net/documents/hexagram.htm
The goddess of the pagan/wiccan mysteries refers to Eve: The matrix we all proceed from. The matrix that holds the superconscious spark.
Lol Funny but relevant question mj. He is the "one" (one is an anagram of neo). The soul that has realized its superconscious mind. The soul that has realized that it is interconnected with all things or as David Cherubim puts it, One of the most significant of all realizations for the Adept is that s/he is the Sun
made manifest in the flesh, an incarnation of the Lord of the Solar System. The Hexagram
is the Sign of such an Adept."
"From one point of view, the upright triangle of the Hexagram represents the Holy Guardian Angel, our inner Self, and the inverted triangle represents WoMan, our human self. These two triangles united represent what is called in Magick "the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel." The Holy Guardian Angel is the "star" of every man and every woman, that is, their inner celestial nature as opposed to their purely human self. To unite one's human ...
.... consciousness with that Angel is to awaken the "Solar" Consciousness and to realize oneself in the Sun of Light and Life. http://davidcherubim.net/documents/hexagram.htm
Agent smith represents the many or the state prior to occult initiation.i.e artificial consciousness of a separate human self (or the unconscious Adam mind) There are many smiths but there is one neo. So neo is a symbol of the solar or light of satan state sought by all secret societies in every age.
In the 1st movie of the matrix trilogy, neo was killed when he entered room 303 = 3 nothing 3 = 33 but was brought back to life by the 'kiss' (union) of trinity (the goddess) & when he came back to life, he acquired the ability to properly understand the matrix code 33 represents the hexagram & is a symbol of the union of the upper superconscious triangle i.e 3 sides and the lower subconscious triangle 3 sides which gives birth to the superconsious child or the comprehension of self as light
So 33 is a purely occultic number (33 is the number of degrees in masonry 33 33 is also the international phone code of France the country of liberty and egality.) The Bible never told us that Jesus lived for 33 years but the occult subconsciously programmed our minds to believe that he lived for 33 years in order to incorporate their agenda into xtianity.
So in summary Neo the one the sun is the one (sole) light that rules at day.
Smith the many, the stars. There are many stars in the sky at night. The children of men in their ignorant state.
The moon is the subconsious or the mother of the stars . She is the fallen Eve that we (the stars) proceed from and she is very close to us. Astronauts have visited the moon. But the sun is a no go area meaning only selected initiates of satan ever discover the oneness/light of nature.
This is neo : "The Hexagram is a geometrical symbol of the Sun. The Sun is an external symbol of the One Reality or the One Self that is manifest in all things. One of the most significant of all realizations for the Adept is that s/he is the Sun made manifest in the flesh, an incarnation of the Lord of the Solar System. The Hexagram is the Sign of such an Adept." David Cherubim
This is smith: "We do not ‘come into’ this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean ‘waves,’ the universe ‘peoples.’ Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe. Even those who know it to be true in theory do not sense or feel it, but continue to be aware of themselves as isolated ‘egos’ inside bags of skin [but] the cat has already been let out of the bag. Alan Watts, The Book on the Taboo..
The matrix is the goddess or subconscious womb that gives birth to the artificial or dream perception of the unconscious mind. Neo's are the occult initiates that leave the womb through initiation by uniting their subconscious with their superconscious (kiss btw neo and trinity) and thus realizing the oneness (light nature) of all things
The smith minds want to remain plugged to the matrix and ultimately fight/resist those who wish to unplug them from it i.e the natural mind is prone to reject the oneness of all nature theory as bull:
The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that make...
...s them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) in the matrix
But the so called enlightened initiates or Neos fail to understand that the light or one nature of things is also an illusion that can be likened to the light that produces the images inside the tv. The images in the tv are not real. The light that produces is not real. It is merely a projection of the real object that is "outside" the tv. The message of xtiaity the whole tv, the light, the people produced by light are fake. They are lies by the light or forbidden fruit thought process..
..of this world. The real us does not exist in the tv. The real us is not the light. The real us is the dead deceived mind outside the tv. The light is merely a lying projection or suggestion of the serpent .The way out is Jesus Christ. Allow Jesus to kill the false light (the serpents headship over your life) and enthrone Jesus the true light that makes you perceives things as they are and you will see things as they are and will always be. (not as fleeting and illusory thoughts)
Well, it seems such a short sentence has produced a huge outpouring. Hence, the proof that the eternal is IN what has been written. It is not contradictory in what is written, because "death" is an IDEA in a mind that IS eternal. Then the IDEA "dies", which is the criteria FOR rebirth. You do not have to be "fortunate" to be reborn. It is inherent in you. We have many "deaths" in the short time we are physical; death of an idea, death of a childhood experience, death of a relationship, etc.
The Bible teaches that "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment." Instead of rebirth, for those who repent of their sins and trust in Christ as their Savior, they will inherit eternal life, never to die again and not to return to this fallen world. Is that not much superior to the idea of reincarnation>
No. Death is final. Once you give up your last breath and die, there is no rebirth. To be born-again must take place and happen while the soul is alive upon the earth. Through repentance and consecration from God, the soul becomes reborn into a brand new creation. The natural or carnal life becomes supernatural and spiritual, translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of Christ, dying to the ungodly and worldly existence and being reborn to the godly life in Christ.
Jerome - Thanks for your excellent remarks regarding the born again experience. It is extremely important for everyone to note the distinction between what must occur in this life for any hope of an eternal after-life, as you clearly point out. Peace!
Amen. There are many different philosophies being taught today, however there is only one true way delivered to all mankind by the life and death and resurrection of Iesous Christ himself. He welcomes all to accept him, but not all will, and according to our decision of acceptance or rejection will determine where our final eternal abode will be.
A consideration of the possibilities of life after death from a strictly secular perspective requires absolute objectivity to reach a truly critical conclusion. To many, such conclusions simply cannot be completely rational because of the implications of the supernatural. From a scientific perspective there must be substantial evidence to reach any conclusion, & such evidence must be universally accepted as valid proof. In exploring this view, what evidence would be universally acceptable as proof of life after death? Before proposing my answer, think on this. Until the continents of North & South America were discovered, people for nearly 15 centuries after Christ’s time on earth believed the world was flat & that Asia, Europe, & Africa were the extent of it. To prove them wrong, explorers (like Erikson & Columbus) ventured out beyond where no man had gone before. They returned with eyewitness accounts of discovering new lands. It took time for word to spread, but eventually
their testimonies of new lands were accepted as proof positive of their existence. Every word is established by the mouth of two or more witnesses. Scripture offers such testimonial proof. The 1st is recorded in Matthew 17 where two witnesses from the after-life appear with Jesus. “And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.” Mt. 17:3. Certainly, this was offered as proof positive that there is life after death, both Moses & Elijah having died centuries before.
God also gives testimony & refers to Himself “I am the God of Abraham, & the God of Isaac, & the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” Mt. 22:32. Who knows better than one who has actual firsthand experience; someone who has actually experienced life after death? Jesus said “I am the resurrection, & the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” – Jn. 11:25. He actually died & came back from death, witnessed by hundreds of
people. His resurrection is unique among all other religious figures throughout history. Billions of people have come to accept His testimony & that of the eyewitnesses to His resurrection as proof positive of life after death – Jn. 3:16. Of course, many have chosen to reject the validity of the Bible, but usually because of a lack of personal investigation into its reliability. Intensive research demands a different verdict.
For further proof I suggest reading Josh McDowell’s excellent book “Evidence that Demands a Verdict”. Josh was an atheist who determined to debunk the information in scripture, only to discover that the deeper he researched the matter, the more obvious the only reasonable conclusions became – the accounts of Christ’s resurrection are absolutely valid, with more concrete evidence in support of the event than is available on the life of any other human being.
The question about possible life after death must be considered on two levels of common reality: natural & supernatural. Obviously, everyone experiences the present reality we call LIFE here this physical realm, which culminates in DEATH. In the strictest literal sense, LIFE consists of experiences of which the majority is common to everyone, such as breathing, eating, sleeping & pain. Based upon one’s personal experiences, LIFE takes on a more unique reality. Due to religious beliefs not common to everyone, ideas about LIFE after DEATH are associated with a person’s belief system. DEATH = NO LIFE. Those who believe in God & accept the Bible as His inspired written word mostly hold to a hope of resurrection where the righteous shall live forever & the wicked condemned to perish [Jn. 3:16]. I've written several articles that deal explicitly with this topic. They are available for examination on my blog: mjthompsons.wordpress.com. Under the MENU click on ARTICLES.
For the most concise commentary on the question regarding life after death, "is it possible for all or just some people?" my article entitled "Regarding the Soul" provides insight into the scriptural revelations on the subject.
We are reborn with our faith in Jesus. After death according to the way I interpret the Bible the Israelite people will be offered a 2nd chance and even then some will reject Jesus. We born again with faith on earth but transformed in heaven.
Hi Golpher, the Israelites who died were offered the opportunity to receive Christ after He died on the cross and decended into the lower parts of the earth where the dead dwelled. (Matt. 12:40; Eph.4:9; 1Pet. 3:18-20). This He did only to them and because of the Covenant that He gave to them as His chosen people. However, the Bible does not record that there is any other after death opportunity to anyone. Christ died once to save the lost.
Very true MJThompson. From every walk of life, Jew and Gentile, Rich and Poor, Learned and Unlearned, Male and Female, from each there will be the saved and the condemned, because we have the hard-hearted and stiff-necked, and also the soft-hearted and bowing-necked, those who cried at the crucifixion of innocent Christ and those who spit upon him and slew him on the cross. The sheep will be separated from the goats, the wheat from the tares, the good from the evil, and each has a destination.
The Bible's teaching on rebirth is that it can only occur BEFORE death. If a person dies without having been Born Again, according to John 3:3-8, they will die in their sins (John 8:38). In that state they are eternally separated from God. Their exists no more opportunity to enter into eternal life. That is why it is so crucial to listen with your heart to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, repent of your sins and give yourself to Jesus Christ in trust and faith. By this His Life enters you and you are born of Him. You are Born Again.
Hello Roger and Blessings to you.
To answer your question in the simplest terms...
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
There is your answer.
But Ghdesign, don't you think that, we all are God. Actually, I have heard that, the body is not ours not even the mind. We are only the soul, the pure soul. And the soul never dies. According to our past "karma" it has been safely put from one body to another and like that.
rogerscott001 - Your ideas seem vaguely associated with new age mysticism or eastern polytheim (god in all, all in god), neither of which are consistent with Christianity. God is a unique supreme being. His relationship with man is established by personal revelation upon which His Spirit comes to reside within believers ONLY.God is NOT in everyone, & certainly NO ONE is GOD other than the one true God. RE: your ideas on the soul see- mjthompsons.wordpress.com = "Regarding the Soul" article.
@rogerscottr001 I understand that you posted the question in the Buddhist category and inasmuch as I respect your right to believe what you want to believe, and even though I want to give a non buddhist response to your statement, I chose to respond because the truth is universal and eternal and should therefore not be secluded to certain sects beliefs. The Body is yours but the body is not you. The body is the 'meat suit' that was given to you to experience this reality..
It is the vehicle that the real you uses to experience this world. Claiming that the body and mind are not ours is equivalent to claiming that a driver is not responsible for an accident he caused because the car is not Him. The driver is responsible for everything that happens in the car driven by Him. It is his car and it was driven by Him so the actions carried out by the car would therefore be associated with him
And we are not all God. Can God learn? Is God imperfect? Why would an imperfect God who knows all need to become an imperfect man in order to learn lessons? What lesson does an perfect God have to learn? We are mere men of dust, fallen sinners banished eternally from the perfect God and under the power of the crafty devil that keeps us content in our slavery by fooling us with the delusion that we are gods.
And in order to ensure that his deception is effective and ensure that we lack choices the crafty devil assumes both sides : the good god of this world and the evil satan . The good god is the illusory 'good' light spirit, which “plays on human pride and offers the delusion of divinity”, The wicked devil dark side is the side which tempts human beings to ignore the so called good/light side and live entirely on the material plane”, by focusing merely on intellectualism and
..technology. But it is the same satan manifesting in his dual forms of good and evil, light/darkness. Both sides are different sides of the same coin and we are forbidden from eating/partaking from either of them.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen 3:17
Lol I dont know you personally so I wonder what informed your claim that I have been preached to by preachers of faith. Besides you provided no meaningful point. How does the fact that believers oppose each other affect the truth? Americans disagree on Obama's policies. Does that change the fact that he is the president of the US. This is a forum dedicated to intelligent debates. If you have any objection to any post, why dont you raise it rather than make baseless accusations...
You act like a typical brainwashed person. "Your posts are a perfect reflection of, Stacey Keach a character in the 1980 movie the 9th configuration" who was a patient in a mental hospital, but who was to deceived to think that he was the Head Psychiatrist. People like you are like a sick patients in this lunatic asylum of the satan's kingdom that are under the illusion that they are the one's with answers, yet unknown to them, they're the patients in the wards .
Every occultist/mystic knows that saturn/lead/evil is the unrefined sun/gold/good. The goal of alchemy: Do your research carefully and honestly and you will realize that my claims above are accurate. You are just too arrogant to accept them because they rip your hallowed beliefs to shreds.
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 2 Tim 1:7
Christianity doesn't promote fear. We promote the truth and leave it to other peoples conscience to either accept or reject.
Everything is the same energy vibrating at different frequencies:
Faster/invisible frequencies: Light, good, e.g sahasrara (crown chakra)
Slower/discernible frequencies: matter, evil: e.g muladhara (root chakra)
Goal of the initiate Change the slow thought perception or frequency speed (via initiation) into a faster light perception.
Gosh' you went round the world to reason with your understanding and arrived at the same conclusion of mysterious reasoning, you are very confused & quiet amazing you relate to Satan & God in reference to what you are trying to explain. You got close when you said everything is the same energy vibrating at different frequencies but if you settle down and stop rambling in quotes you may find a reality without having to lean on Christianity. you said: Christianity doesn't promote fear,No more said
Lol So that's all you have to write? You are such a joke @tahmoortim. What you ought to have said is I want you to be confused because you rip my hallowed teachings apart. Mr not confused please kindly let us know how I am confused instead of making baseless claims. I didn't accuse @rogerscott of being confused. I simply addressed the points that he raised. Intelligent debaters do not dwell on the people in debates (in this case someone who you haven't even met before). They dwell on the...
..issues on ground. I didn't relate to satan and God (The real God) in my explanation (about the occult). I was only trying to let those that have eyes to see know that both the satan (saturn, lead) and gold (god of the occult, light) are lies. The person you call god, the one self of the universe (or the overself) is a big lie. It is merely a false light that will pass away. The true and unchanging God (the real God) is beyond the self. He doesn't dwell within. You cant wake him up...
..because he is not inside you. He is beyond you and you must let him destroy the false serpent god (or kundalini serpent of light bruising of the serpents headship) within and invite Him into the heart by faith.
Christianity: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God.. 1 Cor 2:12
Occult: You all have the spirit of god therefore you are really gods in amnesia (but it is latent within you)
My point is this: both the saturn and lead are the devil.
But not just that: gold and light (the sun) are also the devil. i.e The Ayin (light) of kabalism, where something is created out of nothing. The essence of kabbalism is thinking a thought of corresponding sound and shape, and matter appears This is the duality nature, the DIVIDED LIGHT, of the whole 3 dimensional world. Where light takes on certain form. Meaning it is the mind of lucifer, plays the dual role of supreme god and devil (or what the Bible refers to as the forbidden fruit of..
..knowledge of good and evil.) . Despite your reluctance to "carefull|y examine the stuff that I wrote, at least you were honorable enough to admit that I was had a point when you wrote : You got close when you said everything is the same energy vibrating at different frequencies. Of course I do not deny that everything is energy vibrating at different frequencies. My point is its all a big fraud and lie. There is life beyond temporal energy and His name is Jesus.
Unlike you who denies stuff that you do not understand, I do not deny that everything is energy. My point is energy itself (the whole energy field) both visible and invisible is a lie. Finally, it is no surprise that you are more interested in disagreeing with me and labeling someone you haven't met before than in carefully understanding and intelligently addressing the points i raised. This world has been established in such a way, that anything that challenges the status quo, is...
immediately rejected. It makes no difference if the challenge is accurate or inaccurate. What matters to the satanic thought process, is that a challenge is initiated, so that people into debate and confusion. ith debate comes confusion, as each individual is usually quite certain their perspective is accurate. With confusion comes a complete disconnection, or lack of focus, upon what truly constitutes reality.
The only way to communicate what reality is, is to identify what disconnects us from reality, This doesn’t include debate, just communicating the obvious, for others to accept or reject. My point is energy (both the visible/physical and invisible/spiritual energy fields) is a lie. My point is they are both extremes of the same devil. My point is they must be destroyed if we want to understand the truth. If you have an objection to the things I wrote or feel I am lying or mixing stuff up..
then raise it. If not, better not to reply. And Yes!!! I can go 'round the world' in order to reply you because I dwell on facts & not on mere sentiments. There are quack doctors and there are real doctors. Wouldn't someone be foolish to restrict all doctors into the quack doctors category based on the activities of quack doctors? Only ignorant people who do not want to be exposed generalize so stop generalizing Christianity. Focus on the merit of peoples argument.
I will never generalize buddhists or hindus or psychics just because I disagree with them. Yes there are many honorable buddhists, hindus and psychics who genuinely believe that they are right. Yes there are some buddhists who are more generous than some 'professing' christians. But that doesn't change the fact that they are wrong. Many people are genuinely wrong meaning they honestly believe that they believe the right things. But that doesn't change the fact that they are wrong.
Just in case you didn't get me, My points:
1. The physical world and and spiritual light are really one. Both are energy, both just refer to the 2 extremities of energy. Just like atoms have protons (gods) and electrons (goddesses), light and form are extremities of each other and they are both lies.
2. Everything that’s visible within this 3 dimensional space, is light. E=mc2. If matter is accelerated to the speed of light, times the speed of light, it becomes energy, which is light...
and both the visible 3d world and the invisible light are lies. So the ideal state or the christ consciousness (balance of yin (goddess) and yang (god) sought by the occultists is an illusion or a lie.
Thanks Barrington, I'm glad you think I'm a joke as it must amuse you & at least it will bring out the happy side of your determination to be the dictator,
Q" why does it take you so long to explain what you are trying to suggest.
I find that you like to give the Devil a reputation as Satan and you give God a work out as well, My goodness Barrington you are letting yourself down by saying: There is life beyond temporal energy and His name is Jesus.
@tahmoortim Lol Me Dictator? Don't forget that you were the one that questioned the things that I wrote , demonstrated your dislike for the attitude of Christians and leveled false allegations against me when you claimed that i preach what has been drummed into you by preachers of fear only wrote the truth and I didn't force the things that I wrote down anyone's throat. This is a forum for intelligent debates, if you have an issue with any of the things that I wrote above...
then raise it. Unfortunately, you have no point thats why you resorted to name calling and making false accusations & I am not at all surprised that you wrote "you are letting yourself down by saying: There is life
beyond temporal energy and His name is Jesus. " Jesus told the unrepentant Jews:"Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word." You do not have the ability to comprehend the truth because you are recalcitrant. You want the illusion of a
...life outside Christ because it keeps the illusion that you know all things and are (or have the capability) to become God intact. But I have this for you: It is only a mirage and it will not last. It was Einstein that wrote :"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." You cant reconcile with God by holding unto your false conceptions. The truth is never sweet because our whole existence in this world is a lie and the truth always seeks to ..
..destroy all our hallowed lies (illusory life,divinity) away but taking the bitter pill of truth is the only way to be saved. Better to lose the whole world and gain the eternal truth that will save your soul.
I am not directing at you or name calling and I appreciate your input which I find very interesting.
Usually in a debate or difference of opinion someone will show their hand in desperation to prove what they have learnt by what ever means.
This is the cross road where I park my soap box and am willing to challenge the validity of what people are influenced to believe.
Without quoting from a bible or quoting from a religious teaching I find religious bashers are defenceless and rely on myth & legend with a history of deceit and lies. They will attack with the words from a bible or someone deceased many years ago.
It does not matter what someone said in the past as to the now.
I dislike when in a disaster or tragedy people blame God and then go to a religious place to pray to "yep got to get God on board again", Sorry Barrington I regard this as weakness & not directed at you;.
I like the truth and I do not regard what others say as the truth as much as the Bible, how many times has it been written now? in earlier years not many people could not read or write and were gullible to the truth and they died in their thousands, they are still doing it today and still gullible, would anyone dare to say they are more educated.
With what I have said I will no doubt get a response of a quote what Jesus said.
By the way Barrington, do you believe that the stone which was placed outside the tombed where Jesus was laid to rest was stolen? Religion is in a mess and always has been and it is fascinating how many want to be leaders
I think it is time to let someone else have their each way say Cheers Barrington
@tahmoortim For the purpose of clarity, lets put things in their proper perspective
1. You directed your comments at me: You (not me) wrote earlier on: "You preach what has been drummed into you by preachers of fear. So yes your comments were directed at me and they were directly underneath my last comments.
2. You (not me) wrote this:"There are so many believers opposing each other with dramatic beliefs about life, death, Jesus & the Bible..."What a mess" .
3. Your claim: "Usually in a debate or difference of opinion someone will show their hand "in desperation" to prove what they have learnt by what ever means": reflects my point. Naturally, I would have expected you to objectively and carefully read the things that I wrote but No!!! Instead of that, you reacted on impulse: Instead of addressing the points that I raised, you resorted to making claims that were unrelated to the topic and reflected your prejudice::Believers opposing themselves,
I preach what has been drummed into me by preachers of fear blah blah!!!Now tell me how is all that related to my claim that energy is an illusion??? Or that everything is energy vibrating at different frequencies?
Just so you know God never intended Christianity to be a religion. He intended it to reflect the true life: Jesus Christ. Christians are those who live and reflect the true life :Jesus Christ. Jesus is a life giving Spirit. Just as a physical man is alive because his spirit..
gives life to his body, ( i.e is physically alive) The spiritual man (Christian) is alive when the influence of the energy delusion (or false life) is destroyed in his life and he is reborn of Jesus. There are many lies but there is one truth and the one truth is eternal. For example It is true that this reply is directed at @tahmoortim but it is a lie that it is directed to@mjthompson @ ghdesign , @ tebelle and the over 6 billion other people that live on planet earth.
The Words in the Bible are not true because it is called the Bible. The Words in the Bible are not true merely because God's Prophets said they were true or because our Fathers said they were true.The Bible is true because that is the way it is. Search and see for yourself. Compare, Contrast, You will realize that with the exception of Christianity, the central message of the occult, religion, atheism, agnosticism, solipsism etc is self. Its in you, you know it all, -As Soul, you have the..
god knowledge within, "You" are all you will ever be. "You" are divine. "You" are perfection. All "you" have to do is awaken to that and then know it,.God is in all things and all people. "Your" works will earn salvation. But Christianity rejects the self and everything that comes from the self and focuses entirely on Jesus: For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing: The message of Christianity. Its in Jesus. I am doomed without Him. There is nothing to awaken to..
because the latent kundalini serpent power that occultists believe offers divinity when awakened is the accursed serpent of Genesis 3 and therefore the latent Spirit of must be rejected and his headship bruised under our feet. The serpent is accursed, energy is an illusion. Seeking Yoga (union) with spirit is equivalent to opening the door to hell because union with the accursed serpent cuts of the soul from God. Satan is a false light. We are not God. We are mere sinners in bondage to the...
..dual sinful consciousness called satan (but who plays the roleof god (good) and devil (evil)
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing". 2 cor.4:3
Finally the face (mysteries) of Christ cannot be unveiled by the natural mind. To the carnal mind devoid of Christ the wisdom of God is foolishness. To the carnal mind devoid of Christ, the Bible makes no sense and is bull written by uneducated and archaic men but to the spiritual man whose eyes have been opened..
... The Bible is inspired by an eternal and unchanging God.Technologies come and go, Generations come and go, Man's knowledge evolves but God remains the same. God has not changed from the way he was in the days of Adam and Eve and He will never change. The permissiveness and knowledge of the 21st century can never change the immutability of God's counsel.
Around the world in circles, one day you may meet up with yourself and realize you are an illusion, you are boring Berrington.
You quote and quote from what you have been led to believe which shows you do not know very much from your own free will of realization, you must be lonely.
Circles? Lol With you it has been all noise and no substance. You haven't made a single point besides leveling accusations against xtians and demonstrating how biased and childish you are. Even a fool can level accusations tarmoortim but they dont hold any water unless you back them up with proof. Even the Jews called Jesus mad and a devil so your attitude is not a surprise to me. Circles because you want the things I have written you to be a lie. Circles because you know that if the...
..things that I wrote are true then it means that you are exposed as a liar and a fraud. All you had to write was I want you to be around the world in circles because you expose my ignorance, lies and childish behavior.
When will you learn to stop ranting on about nonsense, you do not make any sence and you are desperate to bring others into your ranting repeating noncence.
without a quote you have nothing to say.
Grow up and admit you are a dictator looking for attention
Lol keeping on demonstrating the kind of empty drum you are. No point besides accusing people without any substance to back up your claims. Id rather be a 'dictator' than make baseless and silly accusations that lack any substance and are totally unrelated to the topic.
Nice to see you have stopped quoting and admit you are a dictator looking for attention, let it be a lesson the more noise you make the less anyone will take notice of you. keep it simple and to the point without elaborating.Instead of Berrington, try Rambling Rose.
Lol nice to see that you do not deny that you are an empty drum looking for attention. Nice to see that you have no point besides labeling things you don't understand. Nice to also see that you have difficulty reading. I never admitted to be a dictator. I simply wrote:" Id rather be a 'dictator' than make
baseless and silly accusations that lack any substance"
And so Berrington the clown laughs at his own jokes
no mirrors where you reside.Buy one and be amazed at the image.
Quit ranting you are making a joke out of yourself.
10 paragraphs to explain yourself
..and so tahmoortim the empty drum keeps making a fool of himself and exposing the kind of empty drum that he is. And of course no answer to this: I never admitted to be a dictator. I simply
wrote:" Id rather be a 'dictator' than make
baseless and silly accusations that lack any substance"
10 paragraphs to none. I think that is enough proof to show that you lack substance and are not worth debating with
Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. are nonChristian religions that teach karma and reincarnation, but Christianity teaches rebirth while alive and in following Christ the only real Savior for all mankind. As for hell and heaven, these are eternal abodes, one abode is eternal torments and the other abode is eternal joy. A born-again Christian will experience blessings in this lifetime, and also in that to come. And the evil will experience cursings in this lifetime, and also in that to come.