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BroRando

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Does God Dwell in One Place?

Various religions describe God as omnipresent, a term suggesting that God dwells in all places simultaneously. John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Church, wrote a sermon entitled “On the Omnipresence of God” in which he stated that “there is no point of space, whether within or without the bounds of creation, where God is not.”

What does the Bible teach? Is God omnipresent, existing in all places in heaven, on earth, and even in humankind at the same time?

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TomLeigh


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As a doctor of the metaphysical sciences I agree that “there is no point of space, whether within or without the bounds of creation, where God is not.”
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BroRando


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The Bible states that God as one Dwelling Place. HEAVEN. For example Jesus address his God, "Our Father who art in the heavens, let thy name be sanctified," (Matthew 6:9 Darby) Religions teach that God is omnipresent which means Everywhere, but the Bible does not. His throne is in Heaven not Everywhere. To claim God is in an eternal burning hell would be short sided and in error.

"However, I say to you: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne;" (Matthew 5:34) The two quotes I just gave you came from Jesus Christ, the word of God. Surprised? Jesus never stated that God was Everywhere but gave a specific place. (Read Revelations Chapters 4 and 5 for more infprmation.) https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20110801/where-does-god-dwell/
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Dear "BroRando".
The Omnipotent Creator of the Universe is not only OMNIPRESENT, he is also OMNISCIENT, OMNIPERCIPIENT, OMNIFIC, RIGHTEOUS, INFALLIBLE, PERFECT, GENDERLESS, AND ETERNAL.
For further information on the many attributes of the TRUE GOD, please access: http://eternalbliss1.tripod.com
Kind regards,
John Romer
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Jerome


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Yes, there is an old song that goes....~He's as close as the mention of his name, Jesus, Jesus...~
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raybanned


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First, thanks BroRando for inviting me to address this question. We agree on so much. It's just sad so many others with different points of view have to get so offended! You'd think it was the presidential debate! Have you tried your questions on Quora? They don't tolerate some of the comments and belittling that goes on here. Plus, with the exception of a few experienced and informed respondents who know how to give a civil answer, you might find more informative answers and less responses like those who prefer to tell people their beliefs are silly or insinuate they are mentally impaired. It only shows where their heart is really at. So bless you for controlling that evil weapon we all possess - the tongue.
I think John Wesley's response is to the point. However, I do believe there are places God is not. All things were created through the spoken Word of God, which was manifest in the flesh as Jesus Christ, the only Son God begat. To assume God is in everything would be to presume
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raybanned 2 years 11 months ago

He is also in Hades, or among the dead. Our God is the God of the living. The answer can
turn paradoxical easily, such as existing in the hearts and minds of those who do not
believe He even exists. And since all things originate from thought, one must conclude
that to those who do not believe in Him He does not exist. WE know He exists, but for
some, He is non-existent. So, just because some do not believe does not mean He does not
exist, but it is what the mind perceives to be real. Another

raybanned 2 years 11 months ago

paradox might be if God is not there, does it exist at all? God may have created it, but
it does not mean He is present "in" that thing. Lev 22:3 Say unto them, Whosoever he be
of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the
children of Israel hallow unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, that soul shall
be cut off from my presence: I am the LORD. Also...

raybanned 2 years 11 months ago

Jer 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you,
and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:
Can we say God is present? It is most difficult for us humans to stay in tune with the
Holy Spirit, making us holy. Yet when we are in the world functioning with our worldly
minds, Is God present? HE may be with us, but are we with Him? especially if we sin? God
may BE in all things, but not necessarily "present".

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

I enjoy your comments very much raybanned. The Bible clearly indicates that Jehovah God
dwells, not everywhere, but only in heaven. The physical heavens cannot contain the
Creator of the universe. (1 Kings 8:27) The Bible tells us that “God is a Spirit.”
(John 4:24) He resides in the spiritual heavens, a realm independent of the physical
universe.—1 Corinthians 15:44. Of course, Jehovah alone always existed and is
Unbegotten. He is the God of gods.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Jehovah God does not have to be present everywhere, or omnipresent, in order to perceive
what is happening at any point in the universe. God’s Word says: “There is not a
creation that is not manifest to his sight.” (Hebrews 4:13) Yes, Jehovah’s powerful
active force, or holy spirit, can extend anywhere, allowing him to be all-seeing and to
accomplish his purpose from a fixed location, his “holy dwelling” in the
heavens.—Deuteronomy 26:15.

raybanned 2 years 11 months ago

Well said.

Grace-Family 2 years 11 months ago

I am a Church Deacon within the Assemblies of God. The God's Word very clearly teaches
that He is omnipresent.

Here are the supportive verses below.

Grace-Family 2 years 11 months ago

Psalm 139:7-12
7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me
and the light become night around me,”
12 even the darkness will not be dark to you

Grace-Family 2 years 11 months ago

Proverbs 15:3
3 The eyes of the LORD are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.

Jeremiah 23:23-24
23 “Am I only a God nearby,” declares the LORD, “and not a God far away?
24 Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the LORD. “Do
not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the LORD.

Isaiah 57:15
15 For this is what the high and exalted One says— he who lives forever, whose name is
holy:
“I live in a high and holy p

Grace-Family 2 years 11 months ago

Isaiah 57:15
15 For this is what the high and exalted One says— he who lives forever, whose name is
holy:
“I live in a high and holy place, but also with the one who is contrite and lowly in
spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite.

Matthew 18:20
20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

Colossians 1:17
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Grace-Family 2 years 11 months ago

Acts 17:27-28
27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him,
though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our
being.’[a] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[b]

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

God dwells in the second Heaven and has multitudes of angels!

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

God is the God of the living. He is not the God of the dead as the Bible tells us.

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

raybanned God is so much above us and so wise that we with out small minds can't
comprehend all that God is! But if we love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and
strength daily and pray for truth and understanding and the Holy Spirit He can show us man
many things as through a dark looking glass now but later we will know all in the next
life.


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BroRando


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When teaching his disciples how to pray, Jesus Christ told them to address their prayers to “Our Father in the heavens.” (Matthew 6:9)
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BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

When teaching his disciples how to pray, Jesus Christ told them to address their prayers
to “Our Father in the heavens.” (Matthew 6:9)

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

My Bible says: “Our Father in the heaven” BroRando KJV

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

The KJV Matthew 6:9 says: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

In Him (God) we live and move and have our being!

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Very true @den14. We live, move and have our being in God (Acts 17:28). This means that
God is "beyond" His creation or in other words, God's creation is contained within Him.
The whole universe is like water being held together (contained) in His Glass (His nature)
so it is very shortsighted to equate the glass with the water that is contained within it.
The water is different from the glass and therefore trying to locate God in space and time
is equivalent to trying to locate the glass...

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

..inside the water that is contained within it. Very futile because the glass is not in
the water. It is beyond the water. It holds the water together. The glass holds the water
and gives it form or shape. Just as we humans create (i.e build) houses as dwelling
places for our bodies, God created man as a dwelling place for His eternal and timeless
Spirit which is why we are referred to as the temple of God (1 COR 6:19) but just as men
are not restricted to the houses that...

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

..they build but have the ability to leave their houses at will, the boundless, eternal
and timeless God is in no way restricted by the fact that he lives in His Church and is
everywhere in his created universe. Concepts such as time space have no bearing on God so
even though God is present everywhere in the created universe, He is also beyond the
universe. i.e the universe exists within him/he holds it together. The same way the ..
....upholding all things by the word of His power, Heb 1:3

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

.... glass has interior walls that surround the water but are not the water and an
exterior part that is beyond the waters (inside the glass) reach

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Prior to creation, the uncreated God was all that was so all that was created (symbolic of
the waters in my analogy) were created within God (symbolic of the glass in my analogy)
Meaning everything including the whole universe, time and space are concepts that were
created "within" God which perfectly explains why God is everywhere. God is everywhere
because everything that God created was created within God who was all that was. But
since creation was contained "within" God, it meant that..

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

..Even though God was present everywhere in time and space, He was also beyond it.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

The interior walls of the whole glass surround "every single drop of water" that is
contained within it but is "not" part of the water= God is everywhere in His created
universe but cannot be equated with /is different from His creation
The exterior walls of the glass are "beyond" the reach of the water contained within it.
God is beyond His creation.
And the water in God's 'glass' can never be full i.e cannot overflow to the exterior or
in spiritual terms it is impossible for God's limited..

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

..and finite creation to go outside of God's boundless influence (i.e His glass) hence
David's Psalm about the futility of fleeing from God because creation is finite/limited
has a beginning and an end but God is infinite/unlimited, eternal has no beginning and
end.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

So no matter how hard we try to run from God we cant escape his influence. Even if we
choose to make our homes on the andromeda galaxy, God will still be there because the
limited andromeda galaxy is one of the tiny 'particles' contained within the boundless and
endless God.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

God is not EVERYWHERE.

1 Kings 8:27King James Version (KJV)
27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens
cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Yes God will well on the earth when Jesus returns to earth and the New Jerusalem
comes down from heaven. Jesus and the Father are one. There will be no more sun because
they will be the light for us. There will be no more sin!

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

correcting God will dwell on the earth.

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

BERRINTON - Once again, you've given a wonderful analogy that should address the most
rational intellect attempting to comprehend the infinite with mere finite capability.
Sadly, scripture makes clear that the 'natural man' (finite mind) CANNOT understand the
things of God because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned. "The natural man receives not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned" - 1Cor. 2:14.

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

So much of the rhetoric displayed on this forum by those thinking themselves Christian
reminds me of the parable of the Pharisee & the publican in Luke 18 - "The Pharisee stood
& prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are,
extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. ..." & another - "Ye blind
guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel" - Mt. 23:24. Apart from the Holy
Spirit dwelling IN a person, such person's understanding of spiritual

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

things is absolutely VOID. Jesus said, "unless one is born again, he cannot see the
kingdom of God ... do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ ... -
Jn.3:3,7. Those who have never experienced this 'spiritual birth' think it is something
associated merely with entrance into the after-life, but scriptural teaching related to
being born again explains that it is the Holy Spirit's abiding presence within a true
believer sealing them from corruption & guiding them into TRUTH.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

If God is coming to the earth, then that proves God is not omnipresent. Coming is a
contradiction of being everywhere. Also, if God was coming to the earth, then a person
would have no need to be born again in order to the see the kingdom of God. Being 'born
again' has nothing with being saved but rather seeing the Kingdom of God that is already
in your midst.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

"On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them:
“The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people say,
‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke
17:20-21)

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Of course those words come from the Word of God. The very same person you are denying.
“The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people
say,‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.”
(Luke 17:21) lol..... You're like a blind man looking for a lightswitch when the light
is already on.

raybanned 2 years 11 months ago

Oh my! What if everybody is right! The spiritual dimension exists within and without. like
light shining through a prism, our faith, be it the arm or the leg, whichever part of the
church - the body of Christ- we may be, we all together are the Church, Christ is the
head, which we all agree. We are different notes of the same song. How beautiful

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Here's a few scriptures to consider.
"I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30) Literal or figurative?
"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just
as we are one." (John 17:22) Literal or figurative?
"the two will become one flesh" (Ephesians 5:22) Literal or figurative?

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

KJVer's say you can take the scripture one way Literal. Is that the truth or lie. A few
more points to consider. "Lamb of God". Literal or figurative speech? Is Jesus really a
four legged creature? Is God a Lamb? lol.......

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Some scriptures and be taken both Literal and Figurative. We should study them carefully
and pray that the Holy Spirit will show us the correct answer. This will take time.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Excellent response DEN. What did God create on the second day?

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the
waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from
the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second
day.
The firmament God called Heaven.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Did you notice Heaven was created on the second day? Holding on to one translation, a
person can become one sided and not gain the broader meaning of scriptures. We use a
multitude of scriptures to help gain understanding. So in the context what does it mean?

God called the vault "sky." NIV
God called the space "sky. NLT
God called the expanse heaven. NASB
God called the canopy "sky." ISV

This is the earth's atmosphere, the sky that separates contains ou life sustaining
environment.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

"And it came to pass when Jehovah would take up Elijah into the heavens by a whirlwind,
that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal." (2 Kings 2:1 Darby) The heavens that Elijah
went to was the physical heavens not the spiritual heavens where Jehovah resides.

"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the
Son of man." (John 3:13)

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

To claim Elijah gained entry into the spiritual heavens before the death of Jesus Christ
is actually what most religions teach. That's simply not accurate. It's an untruth
claiming we don't need Jesus' sacrifice for entry into the spiritual heavens.

"And the curtain of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom." (Mark 15:38)
This tearing of the curtain represents that entry was made possible only after Jesus
death, not before as religion teaches.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

@BroRando So you are dumb enough to serve a God that is not everywhere? I guess that
explains your immature and unrealistic argument. Dumb arguments emanate from illusory and
dead gods. You have made your imaginary god in your own image and likeness which explains
why you assume that God is not everywhere. Your illusory god may not be everywhere but the
Bible makes it clear to all those that have eyes to see that He is everywhere

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

"The eyes of the LORD are in "every" place, beholding the evil and the good Prov 15:3
God's eyes are in every place. On mars, on andromeda galaxy, on milky way and on all the
galaxies in our universe both the ones that have been discovered and the ones that have
not been discovered. Only a fool would serve a God that is not everywhere because a god
that is not everywhere is limited and cannot be trusted to do justice because if God is
not everywhere, it means that somethings...

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

can escape his notice. Besides if God is subject to space and time, then it means that he
cannot witness everything happens in every heart and therefore cannot be trusted. God is
everywhere. But spiritual death has blinded us to his presence everywhere. Sin has blinded
us to the infinite and opened our eyes (understanding) to the finite All we see is our
limited selves, our limited capabilities, our limited intellects and our limited egos.
That's why we perceive a world of space and time

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

...without God. We are dead. We live in sin. We are without Jesus (life) Our ability to
grasp the infinite has been killed by satan and sin. We must understand that the truth is
greater than man, so it will not bow down to our social needs, personal needs, or
insecurities and our feeble-minded reasoning does not and cannot negate that which
actually exists. So living in denial does not and cannot change the fact that God is
everywhere.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

The best way for a human being to understand the truth is to deactivate/crucify the ego by
accepting Christ in the heart. In this light, one can easily see how the people of Earth
are currently bound like animals (of their own freewill), for animals do not even have the
free will to deactivate their egos. Animals are brute beasts that do what they want and
cannot help doing what they want. A lion cannot help but eat other animals. Its ingrained
in its nature. So rather than act like the..

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

ignorant and stubborn bird that hastens to the snare and doesnt know that it is for its
life, we must open our eyes and admit our willing blindness (John 9:41) The path to wisdom
does entail arrogantly holding unto the stupidity of our egos. It denotes admitting our
foolishness and blindness So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee
Psalm 73:22

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

All sinners are bound in a spiritual/mental prison that they cannot touch or feel which is
why God tells us that the weapons of a Christians warfare are designed to cast down
imaginations, (ideas in the mind) not bulwarks. Our fetters are mental fetters. Fetters
of the mind that hold us captive to satan. To be in sin is to be"spell"bound by false
concepts so one of the steps towards freedom is to stop believing the spells (lies) that
have been used to hold us captive.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Only those that admit with Job : I DESPISE MYSELF AND REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES Job 42:6
and those that admit with Peter DEPART FROM ME A SINFUL MAN (meaning I am not worthy)
would attain the truth. All those who arrogantly hold unto the stupidity of they own way
will remain captive to the false concepts that will end up condemning them

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

So the prison that all sinners find themselves is a symbolic prison that is very "easy"
(for Christ) to open, it only takes a change of mind on our part for the 'opening process'
to begin. Accept that Jesus is right and you are wrong and you will start to see things as
they are. Reject that Jesus is right and you are wrong and you will remain a deceived and
blind fool.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

MJ has pretty much said it all when he wrote ""unless one is born again, he cannot see the
kingdom of God and "Apart from the Holy
Spirit dwelling IN a person, such person's understanding of spiritual things is
"absolutely" VOID". ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN REBORN OF CHRIST HAVE THE ABILITY TO
UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERIES OF GOD. The others are blind. They only see things in their dead
form as parables and allegories. Let Him that hath eyes to see see!!!

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

There are many different translations of the Bible and each one is a little different and
some even lose the real meaning of God's Word because men have changed it. I find that The
King James Version is the most accurate in my estimation. Or maybe the Jewish Bible?

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Thank you Den. I like your reasonableness. The truth can be found in any Bible
translation. Some take more work than others. WE have put up a Museum of Bible
Translations and have one of the few originals of the King James Bible from 1611. Did you
know that the original King James Bible was once called the "HE" Bible?

https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODBible/docid-502015505_1_VIDEO
https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODBible/docid-502016501_1_VIDEO

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

BroRando No I didn't know! that the original KJV was called the HE Bible

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

Berrinton - I commend your commitment to declaring truth. Hopefully, those who read in
sincere humility & open hearts will allow the Holy Spirit to transcend their natural,
rational minds so bent on thinking themselves right, just long enough for a ray of true
light to break through. As you've so eloquently presented Jesus Christ the Lord of ALL
Creation, sadly, many have ignored HIM, choosing rather to continue professing their
'knowledge' of the 'word of God' - not understanding that

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

Jesus Christ IS The WORD! Just as you explained the omnipresence of God, so is the Word &
the Spirit - all knowing, all present, all caring, all loving & all powerful - Almighty
God. While claiming to know scripture, they have completely missed the whole point of
scripture - Jesus Christ - the one & only God Incarnate. Jesus proclaimed, "You search the
Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; & these are they which testify of
Me" - Jn. 5:39. Many times he warned about not truly

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

knowing what scripture teaches. " “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not
know the Scriptures nor the power of God?" - Mk. 12:24. While truly born again believers
shall continue to pray for the lost, they shall also stand as witnesses before God in
judgement that they, having been granted the rightly divided truth of scripture &
presented it with the proper identification of Christ. Yet it remains - none are so blind
as they that WILL not see. Peace!

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

When it comes down to the truth and preachers in most churches the so called Christians in
reality really not Christians at all! And when judgment comes the most heart breaking
words from Jesus, "I never knew you." will be the death sentence! So now we need to study
His Words carefully and meditate on them and seek the Holy Spirit to guide us on the right
road before it is too late.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Does God have Brothers? God has No Equal. Jesus told his disciples, "The Father is
Greater than I am" (John 14:28) Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not
yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my
Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17)

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

"But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the
Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." (John
20:31)

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Now if God is Omnipresent, Everywhere, why did say teach, ‘I am ascending to my Father
and your Father and to my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)

:-)

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Yes I think God has a specific dwelling place in Heaven but He also has a multitude of
angels that see all things going on in the worlds and reporting to Him. His eyes are
everywhere. He sees us all and everything that we do both good and bad.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Yes, note that David first asked: “Where can I go from your spirit?” * By means of his
holy spirit, God can see anything and exert his power anywhere, without literally going
there or dwelling there.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20110801/where-does-god-dwell/

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Here's a scripture that drives the point home. "Observe intently the birds of heaven; they
do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them.
Are you not worth more than they are?" (Matthew 6:26) So the birds of heaven are in the
sky, the earth's atmosphere the heaven that was created on the second day. Context of
scripture and other translations help understanding with the aid of Holy Spirit.

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Good explanation BroRando!

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

MJ, As always, you are like water in a dry and thirsty land where no water is. Your
statement "so is the Word &
the Spirit "all" knowing, "all" present, "all" caring, "all" loving & "all" powerful -
Almighty God "perfectly" reflects the 'allness' or totality of God. All the qualities that
you attributed to God show that God already is what He is or in easier to understand
terms, He is perfect i.e full or spaceless. The All knowing nature of God shows that God
cannot 'expand' in knowledge.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

He already knows "everything" that there is to know. Unlike man whose knowledge evolves
with experience, God already knows everything right now and forever. All present shows
that God cannot be limited in space. Unlike man who needs to traverse from place to place
in the universe, God is everywhere at the same time. All caring shows that God has all the
caring that there is or would ever be to give or in other words, God is care personified
Unlike man whose caring nature is limited, God's

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

caring nature is boundless. All loving shows that God is love personified. He doesn't need
to become more loving or less loving. He is already as loving as He always was and will
always continue to be. Unlike man who needs to evolve in love i.e become more loving, God
is love personified. All powerful shows that God is as powerful as He has always been and
will continue to remain as powerful forever. It also shows that God is power personified
and the only true power of the universe. Empires

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

..of men will come and go, world powers will rise and fall but God will always remain in
charge. The main reason why the concept of God's timeless and spaceless nature is
impossible for many to grasp is because they try to understand Him from a space, time
point of view. Space implies a void or emptiness. Everything in this 3d world implies
space For example Our knowledge evolves. We learn everyday. Which further means that
there is an emptiness of void which we continually need

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

..to fill in order to become more knowledgeable. But God doesnt have that space/void. He
already knows all (i.e He is the fullness) because he lives outside the limitation of our
constricted universe of space and time. Time suggests space. Today is different from
Tomorrow (different periods) and therefore, you lack the ability to know what happens at a
time that is not current to you (i.e in the future). But God doesn't have those
restrictions. He knows everything that will happen at all

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

..times "right now" and forever. Our ability to love also evolves (or devolves) everyday.
Everyday we gain more experiences that either mold us to be more loving or hateful but God
is as loving as He has always been or will always be. He doesn't need to learn to be more
loving. He is the fulness of love or in simpler terms, there is "no" space available in
God to love more. So God just is He doesnt need to evolve or learn and his thoughts don't
change.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

But men change. The collective thought field of men is in constant motion and produces
changes in perception. When I was 10 I "perceived" myself as 10. When I was 60 I
"perceived" myself as 60 (thoughts/perception change) . When I was 10 Roosevelt Was
president but when I was 58, Clinton was president (realities change) But God is always
who He is (i.e He is still and unchanging).

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

When I was 10 He was God, When I was 100 He was God. When I died He was still God, When my
great great great great great grand kids were born, He was still God and He will always
remain God for the rest of eternity. The still thoughtless nature of God can only be
grasped by those who have 'stilled' their own carnal perceptions and thought patterns and
embraced Christ who is Truth and reality "“Be still, and know that I am God. Paslm
46:10

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

We are emptiness, space or the void that has to evolve by experience. God is the complete
fullness that does not need to evolve because He is perfect.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

@brorando, God 'became' (took on the image of) man for our sakes and He didnt become a man
(i.e become constricted in a body) to remain a man forever. He had to evolve back to His
eternal and boundless state. So here is the answer to your question Now if God is
Omnipresent, Everywhere, why did say teach, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father
and to my God and your God.’ God ascended back to His boundless nature.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might
fill all things Eph 4:10
He who descended (i.e Jesus) ascended to fill "all" things. Also note that it claimed
that He ascended "far above all heavens". Did you see that: far above "all" heavens. God
is beyond all the heavens and the whole universe. He is boundless and eternal and he fills
all.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Did God get lost when he was twelve? I didn't know that God has parents.

Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42And when he
was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43And when
they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in
Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

You are sick and your sickness demands that you crave unnecessary attention even when you
do not have any point and therefore, there is no need dignify your latest meaningless and
unrelated rant with a reply.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

I thought God was EVERYWHERE. lol..... Is God in Satan? Is God in Nordstroms? Well,
God's Parents lost him and found God in his Father's House. :-)

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Lol I know you are dumb but the fact that someone is everywhere does not make that person
everything. Your father lives in "the same house with you. Does that make your father you?
Think silly. I know you think with your eyes but you better learn how to start thinking
with your brain in order not to make a fool of yourself. Only a fool would serve a God
that is not everywhere.

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Well said BERRINTON.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Quotes from Jesus Christ: As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens
has drawn near.’ (Matthew 10:7)

"Our Father who art in HEAVEN" (Matthew 6:9) God rule rules from heaven not from
everywhere.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

"Our Father who art in HEAVEN". Not our Father who art "only" in Heaven. ...if I make my
bed in "hell", behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:8

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

God is the God of the living, not the God of the dead. :-) "hell delivered up the dead
which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." (Rev 20:13
KJV)

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Does that mean that you are trying to tell us that David was lying when he wrote: if I
make my bed in "hell", behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:8

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Who knows, perhaps your gonna tell us that the Bible translators 'erroneously' included
Psalm 139:8 in the Bible

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Are there beds in hell? LOL... Hell is an erroneous mistranslation and not a place of
eternal punishment. Hell is mankind's Common Grave. Hades in Greek, Sheol in Hebrew.

Psalm 139:8
if I go down to the grave, you are there. NLT
If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! ESV
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, thou art there. ASV

hell delivered up the dead which were in them: Rev 20:13 KJV

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

hahaha who said there were beds in hell? Its figurative . I know I have to explain
everything to you. Besides, lets even "assume" that hell is a grave. Is the grave heaven?
You reek of stupidity.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Going by your argument= Hell is a grave. God is in the grave is what David trying to tell
us. Who knows, maybe you are gonna claim that the grave is in heaven.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

David will be resurrected along with the evildoer in Paradise on the last day. Christ
millennial reign. The Day of Christ or thousand year rule.

Jesus was resurrected on Nisan 16, 33 C.E., the day of the year on which the Jews
presented the firstfruits of the first grain crop before Jehovah God at the temple
sanctuary in Jerusalem.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130301/the-resurrection-of-jesus-means-lif
e/

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

David was clear " if I make my bed in hell. If I make my bed in hell meaning if i choose
to make my bed in hell. He never said anything like there are beds in hell.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

His death and resurrection, are 'timed events" that were prophesied.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

What does David's resurrection have to do with God is everywhere? Who denied the
resurrection? Usual strategy, raise unrelated issues to hide your blatant stupidity and
hard heartedness.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Who said they weren't?

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

David knew he would die, NOT GO TO A BURNING HELL.... Some people refer to it as his
'deathbed'. He's referring to the GRAVE.

"And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is
going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous
." (Acts 24:15)

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Stop digressing from the topic of the debate silly. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DAVID NOT
KNOWING THAT HE WOULD DIE AND I DIDNT WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT A BURNING HELL. I m not gonna
fall for your bait. You want me to digress from the main debate so that your stupidity
would not be exposed.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

The resurrection of Jesus means LIFE. It was on the third day not the first day.
“The Son of man must be lifted up, that everyone believing in him may have everlasting
life. For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that
everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting
life.”—John 3:14-16.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

“Christ has been raised up from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen
asleep in death. For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also
through a man. For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made
alive.”—1 Corinthians 15:20-22.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130301/the-resurrection-of-jesus-means-
life/

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

When did I say that the resurrection of Jesus meant death? When did I tell you that Jesus
resurrection was on the 1st day. Did you even read my conversation with @delphradio?

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Just be plain: I want to promote jw material, instead of going back and forth
meaninglessly

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Do you actually think that you are the only one that knows about the jw's teachings? Your
best witness is your argument. Not the links you are giving.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Actually you changed the subject. God is not in hell as you claim.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

That would be saying God is bad. Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is
good except one, God." (Mark 10:18)

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Lol, I changed the subject? When did i change the subject? In your dreams? Another silly
strategy aimed at diverting attention from your stupidity but it wont work. I didn't claim
that God is in hell. The Bible tells us that "..if I make my
bed in "hell", behold, thou art there." Psalm 139:8. I only quoted the Bible silly.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

God's location does not affect God. We are in the world but we are not "of" the world. God
is in hell but it doesnt make him bad.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

You claim God is in Hell. Well, the Bible says God is in HEAVEN. Is Heaven in Hell then?
:-) I think not.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Lol maybe in your illusory world, its the koran that tells us...if i make my "bed in
"hell", behold, thou art there" But in the real world, its found in the Bible

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Isn't God supposed to be in heaven? And why is hell described as a "pit?" Unless it were a
really big pit, it would be difficult to fit all the damned into such a "pit." The mystery
is solved when one looks at the Hebrew word translated in the KJV Bible as "hell." The
Hebrew word common to all these verses is sheol, which actually refers to the grave.

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Cont'd

I think hell is the ground where the dead sleep waiting for the resurrection. But the
wicked will be cast into the lake or fire or outer darkness.

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

The Kingdom of God is not far off from you. Both the righteous and unrighteous can be
resurrected from the ground, hell, sheol, hades, otherwise known as mankind's common
grave. (Acts 24:15)

However, those who have been counted 'wicked' will not be resurrected ever. The Greek
word used for the lake of fire is Gehenna which is figurative speech for everlasting
death.
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/lake-of-fire

BroRando 2 years 11 months ago

Here in the translator's footnote, it states "hell. or, the grave."
Read Matthew Henry Commentary
http://biblehub.com/jonah/2-2.htm

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

There are two resurrections the first for the righteous and after another for the wicked
as per the Bible truth.

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

cont'd

Christ himself declared:

“Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall
hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment [damnation—KJV]”
(Jn. 5:28-29).

BroRando 2 years 4 months ago

"unto the resurrection of judgment" for hell delivered up the dead which were in
them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (Rev 20:13 KJV)


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DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Yes God's Heavenly Home is in Heaven. He has many untold millions of angels there too!

Grace-Family 2 years 11 months ago

A minimum of sixty six million, if we are to take both Daniel and Revelation literally...

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Thats a lot of Angels and maybe now He has even more!!!


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If you abide in my word me and the father will abode in you, God lives in His Word so if you have Jesus in your Heart then God is living in you
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DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Yes thank you Golfer and Gd Bless you!


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God is everywhere. God is in you and me. God is Spirit as well as Love.
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Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:7-8
Which is his body, the fulness of him that "filleth all in all". Eph 1:23

Space and time are creation concepts that reflect the finite/limited nature of God's creation but God is eternal meaning He dwells beyond the bounds/limits of space, time and mind which further means that God exists in a sphere of no time & no space Moses tells us in Psalm 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. God preexists time and space. He had been God before there was time and space so in space and time terms, He cannot be bound to one single place because He is beyond what we refer to as time and space because He is eternal. But in eternal terms, since He is before all things and fills all things, ..
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BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

... He is in "one place" meaning everything we refer to as space and time are all concepts
that are contained within the one God which is why Acts 17:28 tells us "For in him we
live, and move, and have our being.." We (the whole universe) exists within the one God.
We live and move and have our being withinGod which is why David realized the futility of
running from God because God is everywhere and in every place the same time.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

which is why He can see all that happens everywhere at once: "The eyes of the LORD are in
every place, beholding the evil and the good Prov 15:3
God is also beyond mind meaning God is beyond our perception of who he is. God is always
greater than whatever we "think" we know of Him because mind/perception is also a limiting
creation principle that makes us to perceive God based on our "own" way of reasoning. So
in order to know God, we must come out of the logical (restricting) box of our ...

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

...own minds because God is greater our limited way of reasoning (Isa 55:9)
Logic cannot truly comprehend the timeless and eternal state of God, as any thought is
automatically a negation of the actuality because "our" thoughts are programmed to see
things from a space, time and mind perspective.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Creation ushered in time and space (i.e time "began" i.e in the beginning when the
timeless God "decided to" create) and time cannot exist without space & vice versa i.e It
always" takes time to cover any space eg it takes time to travel from Los Angeles to san
francisco. But In God, time and space cannot be be viewed as fundamentals because in God,
it takes God no time to travel from New York City to Perth in Australia or from Mars to
Pluto because He is everywhere at once.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

He is with me "right now" and at all times. He is with you "right now" and at all times
and He is everywhere in the universe right now and "at all times." Unlike man that needs
to move from one place to the other in order to traverse the world/ universe, God doesn't
need to move an inch because He is everywhere at once right now and forever.

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

Time suggests that 2 oclock is different from 3 oclock. It also suggests that it is
possible to be in 2 different places at 2 oclock and 3 oclock but in God, those laws dont
apply. Everything is the same. 2 oclock is 3 oclock is 4 oclock and is 5 oclock and which
is why God is in all time zones at once .In God's reality the past, present, and future
all exist simultaneously which explains why God tells us that He "declares the end from
the beginning..

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

...and from ancient times things not yet done, Isa 46:10.

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

BERRINTON - Well declared! Due to former resistance to reason by Bro Rando, I declined to
respond to his Question, fearing it would merely spark yet another futile exchange of
beliefs. But I had to reply to your ANSWER in support of your efforts to bring LIGHT to
such discussions. Peace!

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

MJ I am a witness to brorando's resistance so I "perfectly" understand & respect your
decision not to respond. The Bible tells us to avoid vain babblings for they increase unto
more ungodliness so there is no point trying to beat a dead horse. Like Acts 13:48 tells
us " As many as were appointed to eternal life believed." In every crowd there will always
be those that believe and those that dont. There will always be the jannes and jambres
that resist Moses but as it was in the days

BERRINTON 2 years 11 months ago

of Moses, their folly/errors shall be made manifest (2 Tim 3:8-9) I chose to respond
because of the benefit of other readers.

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

Yes BERRINTON there will always be believers and non-believers. And all of us have made
mistakes because we are just human. But we try to learn from our mistakes if we are wise.

MJThompson 2 years 11 months ago

BERRINTON & DEN14 - I appreciate & agree with you both. NONE of us is yet perfect (or
even good for that matter). Apart from Christ in me, I can do nothing (but sin). Continue
to post as you do for the sake of those who may respond favorably that they may not perish
but have everlasting life through Jesus Christ. Peace!

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

The road to Christ is serious study of the Holy Bible! God's eyes are everywhere and He
knows all things. Nothing is hid from Him! He is all powerful. Give Him Praise and Glory.
And always be thankful and grateful for His Blessings. There is non like Him! Try your
best to be as much like Jesus as possible!

DEN14 2 years 11 months ago

We humans are timed, but God is not timed. A day to God is as a thousand years and a
thousand is as a day! And yes we can do nothing without God Jesus who died on the tree for
our sins! Praise God Almighty!!! He deserves our praises!!!


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