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Does God Dwell in One Place?
Various religions describe God as omnipresent, a term suggesting that God dwells in all places simultaneously. John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Church, wrote a sermon entitled “On the Omnipresence of God” in which he stated that “there is no point of space, whether within or without the bounds of creation, where God is not.”
What does the Bible teach? Is God omnipresent, existing in all places in heaven, on earth, and even in humankind at the same time?
The Bible states that God as one Dwelling Place. HEAVEN. For example Jesus address his God, "Our Father who art in the heavens, let thy name be sanctified," (Matthew 6:9 Darby) Religions teach that God is omnipresent which means Everywhere, but the Bible does not. His throne is in Heaven not Everywhere. To claim God is in an eternal burning hell would be short sided and in error.
"However, I say to you: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne;" (Matthew 5:34) The two quotes I just gave you came from Jesus Christ, the word of God. Surprised? Jesus never stated that God was Everywhere but gave a specific place. (Read Revelations Chapters 4 and 5 for more infprmation.) https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20110801/where-does-god-dwell/
The Omnipotent Creator of the Universe is not only OMNIPRESENT, he is also OMNISCIENT, OMNIPERCIPIENT, OMNIFIC, RIGHTEOUS, INFALLIBLE, PERFECT, GENDERLESS, AND ETERNAL.
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First, thanks BroRando for inviting me to address this question. We agree on so much. It's just sad so many others with different points of view have to get so offended! You'd think it was the presidential debate! Have you tried your questions on Quora? They don't tolerate some of the comments and belittling that goes on here. Plus, with the exception of a few experienced and informed respondents who know how to give a civil answer, you might find more informative answers and less responses like those who prefer to tell people their beliefs are silly or insinuate they are mentally impaired. It only shows where their heart is really at. So bless you for controlling that evil weapon we all possess - the tongue.
I think John Wesley's response is to the point. However, I do believe there are places God is not. All things were created through the spoken Word of God, which was manifest in the flesh as Jesus Christ, the only Son God begat. To assume God is in everything would be to presume
He is also in Hades, or among the dead. Our God is the God of the living. The answer can turn paradoxical easily, such as existing in the hearts and minds of those who do not believe He even exists. And since all things originate from thought, one must conclude that to those who do not believe in Him He does not exist. WE know He exists, but for some, He is non-existent. So, just because some do not believe does not mean He does not exist, but it is what the mind perceives to be real. Another
paradox might be if God is not there, does it exist at all? God may have created it, but it does not mean He is present "in" that thing. Lev 22:3 Say unto them, Whosoever he be of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the children of Israel hallow unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, that soul shall be cut off from my presence: I am the LORD. Also...
Jer 23:39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:
Can we say God is present? It is most difficult for us humans to stay in tune with the Holy Spirit, making us holy. Yet when we are in the world functioning with our worldly minds, Is God present? HE may be with us, but are we with Him? especially if we sin? God may BE in all things, but not necessarily "present".
I enjoy your comments very much raybanned. The Bible clearly indicates that Jehovah God dwells, not everywhere, but only in heaven. The physical heavens cannot contain the Creator of the universe. (1 Kings 8:27) The Bible tells us that “God is a Spirit.” (John 4:24) He resides in the spiritual heavens, a realm independent of the physical universe.—1 Corinthians 15:44. Of course, Jehovah alone always existed and is Unbegotten. He is the God of gods.
Jehovah God does not have to be present everywhere, or omnipresent, in order to perceive what is happening at any point in the universe. God’s Word says: “There is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight.” (Hebrews 4:13) Yes, Jehovah’s powerful active force, or holy spirit, can extend anywhere, allowing him to be all-seeing and to accomplish his purpose from a fixed location, his “holy dwelling” in the heavens.—Deuteronomy 26:15.
7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me
and the light become night around me,”
12 even the darkness will not be dark to you
3 The eyes of the LORD are everywhere,
keeping watch on the wicked and the good.
23 “Am I only a God nearby,” declares the LORD, “and not a God far away?
24 Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the LORD. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the LORD.
15 For this is what the high and exalted One says— he who lives forever, whose name is holy:
“I live in a high and holy p
15 For this is what the high and exalted One says— he who lives forever, whose name is holy:
“I live in a high and holy place, but also with the one who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite.
20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[a] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[b]
raybanned God is so much above us and so wise that we with out small minds can't comprehend all that God is! But if we love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength daily and pray for truth and understanding and the Holy Spirit He can show us man many things as through a dark looking glass now but later we will know all in the next life.
Very true @den14. We live, move and have our being in God (Acts 17:28). This means that God is "beyond" His creation or in other words, God's creation is contained within Him. The whole universe is like water being held together (contained) in His Glass (His nature) so it is very shortsighted to equate the glass with the water that is contained within it. The water is different from the glass and therefore trying to locate God in space and time is equivalent to trying to locate the glass...
..inside the water that is contained within it. Very futile because the glass is not in the water. It is beyond the water. It holds the water together. The glass holds the water and gives it form or shape. Just as we humans create (i.e build) houses as dwelling places for our bodies, God created man as a dwelling place for His eternal and timeless Spirit which is why we are referred to as the temple of God (1 COR 6:19) but just as men are not restricted to the houses that...
..they build but have the ability to leave their houses at will, the boundless, eternal and timeless God is in no way restricted by the fact that he lives in His Church and is everywhere in his created universe. Concepts such as time space have no bearing on God so even though God is present everywhere in the created universe, He is also beyond the universe. i.e the universe exists within him/he holds it together. The same way the ..
....upholding all things by the word of His power, Heb 1:3
Prior to creation, the uncreated God was all that was so all that was created (symbolic of the waters in my analogy) were created within God (symbolic of the glass in my analogy) Meaning everything including the whole universe, time and space are concepts that were created "within" God which perfectly explains why God is everywhere. God is everywhere because everything that God created was created within God who was all that was. But since creation was contained "within" God, it meant that..
The interior walls of the whole glass surround "every single drop of water" that is contained within it but is "not" part of the water= God is everywhere in His created universe but cannot be equated with /is different from His creation
The exterior walls of the glass are "beyond" the reach of the water contained within it. God is beyond His creation.
And the water in God's 'glass' can never be full i.e cannot overflow to the exterior or in spiritual terms it is impossible for God's limited..
..and finite creation to go outside of God's boundless influence (i.e His glass) hence David's Psalm about the futility of fleeing from God because creation is finite/limited has a beginning and an end but God is infinite/unlimited, eternal has no beginning and end.
So no matter how hard we try to run from God we cant escape his influence. Even if we choose to make our homes on the andromeda galaxy, God will still be there because the limited andromeda galaxy is one of the tiny 'particles' contained within the boundless and endless God.
Yes God will well on the earth when Jesus returns to earth and the New Jerusalem
comes down from heaven. Jesus and the Father are one. There will be no more sun because they will be the light for us. There will be no more sin!
BERRINTON - Once again, you've given a wonderful analogy that should address the most rational intellect attempting to comprehend the infinite with mere finite capability. Sadly, scripture makes clear that the 'natural man' (finite mind) CANNOT understand the things of God because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned. "The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" - 1Cor. 2:14.
So much of the rhetoric displayed on this forum by those thinking themselves Christian reminds me of the parable of the Pharisee & the publican in Luke 18 - "The Pharisee stood & prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. ..." & another - "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel" - Mt. 23:24. Apart from the Holy Spirit dwelling IN a person, such person's understanding of spiritual
things is absolutely VOID. Jesus said, "unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God ... do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ ... - Jn.3:3,7. Those who have never experienced this 'spiritual birth' think it is something associated merely with entrance into the after-life, but scriptural teaching related to being born again explains that it is the Holy Spirit's abiding presence within a true believer sealing them from corruption & guiding them into TRUTH.
If God is coming to the earth, then that proves God is not omnipresent. Coming is a contradiction of being everywhere. Also, if God was coming to the earth, then a person would have no need to be born again in order to the see the kingdom of God. Being 'born again' has nothing with being saved but rather seeing the Kingdom of God that is already in your midst.
"On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them: “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:20-21)
Of course those words come from the Word of God. The very same person you are denying. “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; nor will people say,‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.” (Luke 17:21) lol..... You're like a blind man looking for a lightswitch when the light is already on.
Oh my! What if everybody is right! The spiritual dimension exists within and without. like light shining through a prism, our faith, be it the arm or the leg, whichever part of the church - the body of Christ- we may be, we all together are the Church, Christ is the head, which we all agree. We are different notes of the same song. How beautiful
Here's a few scriptures to consider.
"I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30) Literal or figurative?
"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one." (John 17:22) Literal or figurative?
"the two will become one flesh" (Ephesians 5:22) Literal or figurative?
KJVer's say you can take the scripture one way Literal. Is that the truth or lie. A few more points to consider. "Lamb of God". Literal or figurative speech? Is Jesus really a four legged creature? Is God a Lamb? lol.......
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The firmament God called Heaven.
Did you notice Heaven was created on the second day? Holding on to one translation, a person can become one sided and not gain the broader meaning of scriptures. We use a multitude of scriptures to help gain understanding. So in the context what does it mean?
God called the vault "sky." NIV
God called the space "sky. NLT
God called the expanse heaven. NASB
God called the canopy "sky." ISV
This is the earth's atmosphere, the sky that separates contains ou life sustaining environment.
"And it came to pass when Jehovah would take up Elijah into the heavens by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal." (2 Kings 2:1 Darby) The heavens that Elijah went to was the physical heavens not the spiritual heavens where Jehovah resides.
"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man." (John 3:13)
To claim Elijah gained entry into the spiritual heavens before the death of Jesus Christ is actually what most religions teach. That's simply not accurate. It's an untruth claiming we don't need Jesus' sacrifice for entry into the spiritual heavens.
"And the curtain of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom." (Mark 15:38) This tearing of the curtain represents that entry was made possible only after Jesus death, not before as religion teaches.
@BroRando So you are dumb enough to serve a God that is not everywhere? I guess that explains your immature and unrealistic argument. Dumb arguments emanate from illusory and dead gods. You have made your imaginary god in your own image and likeness which explains why you assume that God is not everywhere. Your illusory god may not be everywhere but the Bible makes it clear to all those that have eyes to see that He is everywhere
"The eyes of the LORD are in "every" place, beholding the evil and the good Prov 15:3
God's eyes are in every place. On mars, on andromeda galaxy, on milky way and on all the galaxies in our universe both the ones that have been discovered and the ones that have not been discovered. Only a fool would serve a God that is not everywhere because a god that is not everywhere is limited and cannot be trusted to do justice because if God is not everywhere, it means that somethings...
can escape his notice. Besides if God is subject to space and time, then it means that he cannot witness everything happens in every heart and therefore cannot be trusted. God is everywhere. But spiritual death has blinded us to his presence everywhere. Sin has blinded us to the infinite and opened our eyes (understanding) to the finite All we see is our limited selves, our limited capabilities, our limited intellects and our limited egos. That's why we perceive a world of space and time
...without God. We are dead. We live in sin. We are without Jesus (life) Our ability to grasp the infinite has been killed by satan and sin. We must understand that the truth is greater than man, so it will not bow down to our social needs, personal needs, or insecurities and our feeble-minded reasoning does not and cannot negate that which actually exists. So living in denial does not and cannot change the fact that God is everywhere.
The best way for a human being to understand the truth is to deactivate/crucify the ego by accepting Christ in the heart. In this light, one can easily see how the people of Earth are currently bound like animals (of their own freewill), for animals do not even have the free will to deactivate their egos. Animals are brute beasts that do what they want and cannot help doing what they want. A lion cannot help but eat other animals. Its ingrained in its nature. So rather than act like the..
ignorant and stubborn bird that hastens to the snare and doesnt know that it is for its life, we must open our eyes and admit our willing blindness (John 9:41) The path to wisdom does entail arrogantly holding unto the stupidity of our egos. It denotes admitting our foolishness and blindness So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee Psalm 73:22
All sinners are bound in a spiritual/mental prison that they cannot touch or feel which is why God tells us that the weapons of a Christians warfare are designed to cast down imaginations, (ideas in the mind) not bulwarks. Our fetters are mental fetters. Fetters of the mind that hold us captive to satan. To be in sin is to be"spell"bound by false concepts so one of the steps towards freedom is to stop believing the spells (lies) that have been used to hold us captive.
Only those that admit with Job : I DESPISE MYSELF AND REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES Job 42:6 and those that admit with Peter DEPART FROM ME A SINFUL MAN (meaning I am not worthy) would attain the truth. All those who arrogantly hold unto the stupidity of they own way will remain captive to the false concepts that will end up condemning them
So the prison that all sinners find themselves is a symbolic prison that is very "easy" (for Christ) to open, it only takes a change of mind on our part for the 'opening process' to begin. Accept that Jesus is right and you are wrong and you will start to see things as they are. Reject that Jesus is right and you are wrong and you will remain a deceived and blind fool.
MJ has pretty much said it all when he wrote ""unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God and "Apart from the Holy
Spirit dwelling IN a person, such person's understanding of spiritual things is "absolutely" VOID". ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN REBORN OF CHRIST HAVE THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERIES OF GOD. The others are blind. They only see things in their dead form as parables and allegories. Let Him that hath eyes to see see!!!
There are many different translations of the Bible and each one is a little different and some even lose the real meaning of God's Word because men have changed it. I find that The King James Version is the most accurate in my estimation. Or maybe the Jewish Bible?
Thank you Den. I like your reasonableness. The truth can be found in any Bible translation. Some take more work than others. WE have put up a Museum of Bible Translations and have one of the few originals of the King James Bible from 1611. Did you know that the original King James Bible was once called the "HE" Bible?
Berrinton - I commend your commitment to declaring truth. Hopefully, those who read in sincere humility & open hearts will allow the Holy Spirit to transcend their natural, rational minds so bent on thinking themselves right, just long enough for a ray of true light to break through. As you've so eloquently presented Jesus Christ the Lord of ALL Creation, sadly, many have ignored HIM, choosing rather to continue professing their 'knowledge' of the 'word of God' - not understanding that
Jesus Christ IS The WORD! Just as you explained the omnipresence of God, so is the Word & the Spirit - all knowing, all present, all caring, all loving & all powerful - Almighty God. While claiming to know scripture, they have completely missed the whole point of scripture - Jesus Christ - the one & only God Incarnate. Jesus proclaimed, "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; & these are they which testify of Me" - Jn. 5:39. Many times he warned about not truly
knowing what scripture teaches. " “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?" - Mk. 12:24. While truly born again believers shall continue to pray for the lost, they shall also stand as witnesses before God in judgement that they, having been granted the rightly divided truth of scripture & presented it with the proper identification of Christ. Yet it remains - none are so blind as they that WILL not see. Peace!
When it comes down to the truth and preachers in most churches the so called Christians in reality really not Christians at all! And when judgment comes the most heart breaking words from Jesus, "I never knew you." will be the death sentence! So now we need to study His Words carefully and meditate on them and seek the Holy Spirit to guide us on the right road before it is too late.
Does God have Brothers? God has No Equal. Jesus told his disciples, "The Father is Greater than I am" (John 14:28) Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” (John 20:17)
Yes I think God has a specific dwelling place in Heaven but He also has a multitude of angels that see all things going on in the worlds and reporting to Him. His eyes are everywhere. He sees us all and everything that we do both good and bad.
Yes, note that David first asked: “Where can I go from your spirit?” * By means of his holy spirit, God can see anything and exert his power anywhere, without literally going there or dwelling there. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20110801/where-does-god-dwell/
Here's a scripture that drives the point home. "Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?" (Matthew 6:26) So the birds of heaven are in the sky, the earth's atmosphere the heaven that was created on the second day. Context of scripture and other translations help understanding with the aid of Holy Spirit.
MJ, As always, you are like water in a dry and thirsty land where no water is. Your statement "so is the Word &
the Spirit "all" knowing, "all" present, "all" caring, "all" loving & "all" powerful - Almighty God "perfectly" reflects the 'allness' or totality of God. All the qualities that you attributed to God show that God already is what He is or in easier to understand terms, He is perfect i.e full or spaceless. The All knowing nature of God shows that God cannot 'expand' in knowledge.
He already knows "everything" that there is to know. Unlike man whose knowledge evolves with experience, God already knows everything right now and forever. All present shows that God cannot be limited in space. Unlike man who needs to traverse from place to place in the universe, God is everywhere at the same time. All caring shows that God has all the caring that there is or would ever be to give or in other words, God is care personified Unlike man whose caring nature is limited, God's
caring nature is boundless. All loving shows that God is love personified. He doesn't need to become more loving or less loving. He is already as loving as He always was and will always continue to be. Unlike man who needs to evolve in love i.e become more loving, God is love personified. All powerful shows that God is as powerful as He has always been and will continue to remain as powerful forever. It also shows that God is power personified and the only true power of the universe. Empires
..of men will come and go, world powers will rise and fall but God will always remain in charge. The main reason why the concept of God's timeless and spaceless nature is impossible for many to grasp is because they try to understand Him from a space, time point of view. Space implies a void or emptiness. Everything in this 3d world implies space For example Our knowledge evolves. We learn everyday. Which further means that there is an emptiness of void which we continually need
..to fill in order to become more knowledgeable. But God doesnt have that space/void. He already knows all (i.e He is the fullness) because he lives outside the limitation of our constricted universe of space and time. Time suggests space. Today is different from Tomorrow (different periods) and therefore, you lack the ability to know what happens at a time that is not current to you (i.e in the future). But God doesn't have those restrictions. He knows everything that will happen at all
..times "right now" and forever. Our ability to love also evolves (or devolves) everyday. Everyday we gain more experiences that either mold us to be more loving or hateful but God is as loving as He has always been or will always be. He doesn't need to learn to be more loving. He is the fulness of love or in simpler terms, there is "no" space available in God to love more. So God just is He doesnt need to evolve or learn and his thoughts don't change.
But men change. The collective thought field of men is in constant motion and produces changes in perception. When I was 10 I "perceived" myself as 10. When I was 60 I "perceived" myself as 60 (thoughts/perception change) . When I was 10 Roosevelt Was president but when I was 58, Clinton was president (realities change) But God is always who He is (i.e He is still and unchanging).
When I was 10 He was God, When I was 100 He was God. When I died He was still God, When my great great great great great grand kids were born, He was still God and He will always remain God for the rest of eternity. The still thoughtless nature of God can only be grasped by those who have 'stilled' their own carnal perceptions and thought patterns and embraced Christ who is Truth and reality "“Be still, and know that I am God. Paslm 46:10
@brorando, God 'became' (took on the image of) man for our sakes and He didnt become a man (i.e become constricted in a body) to remain a man forever. He had to evolve back to His eternal and boundless state. So here is the answer to your question Now if God is Omnipresent, Everywhere, why did say teach, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’ God ascended back to His boundless nature.
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things Eph 4:10
He who descended (i.e Jesus) ascended to fill "all" things. Also note that it claimed that He ascended "far above all heavens". Did you see that: far above "all" heavens. God is beyond all the heavens and the whole universe. He is boundless and eternal and he fills all.
Did God get lost when he was twelve? I didn't know that God has parents.
Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
You are sick and your sickness demands that you crave unnecessary attention even when you do not have any point and therefore, there is no need dignify your latest meaningless and unrelated rant with a reply.
Lol I know you are dumb but the fact that someone is everywhere does not make that person everything. Your father lives in "the same house with you. Does that make your father you? Think silly. I know you think with your eyes but you better learn how to start thinking with your brain in order not to make a fool of yourself. Only a fool would serve a God that is not everywhere.
David will be resurrected along with the evildoer in Paradise on the last day. Christ millennial reign. The Day of Christ or thousand year rule.
Jesus was resurrected on Nisan 16, 33 C.E., the day of the year on which the Jews presented the firstfruits of the first grain crop before Jehovah God at the temple sanctuary in Jerusalem. http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130301/the-resurrection-of-jesus-means-lif e/
Stop digressing from the topic of the debate silly. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DAVID NOT KNOWING THAT HE WOULD DIE AND I DIDNT WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT A BURNING HELL. I m not gonna fall for your bait. You want me to digress from the main debate so that your stupidity would not be exposed.
The resurrection of Jesus means LIFE. It was on the third day not the first day.
“The Son of man must be lifted up, that everyone believing in him may have everlasting life. For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”—John 3:14-16.
“Christ has been raised up from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death. For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man. For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.”—1 Corinthians 15:20-22.
Lol, I changed the subject? When did i change the subject? In your dreams? Another silly strategy aimed at diverting attention from your stupidity but it wont work. I didn't claim that God is in hell. The Bible tells us that "..if I make my
bed in "hell", behold, thou art there." Psalm 139:8. I only quoted the Bible silly.
Isn't God supposed to be in heaven? And why is hell described as a "pit?" Unless it were a really big pit, it would be difficult to fit all the damned into such a "pit." The mystery is solved when one looks at the Hebrew word translated in the KJV Bible as "hell." The Hebrew word common to all these verses is sheol, which actually refers to the grave.
The Kingdom of God is not far off from you. Both the righteous and unrighteous can be resurrected from the ground, hell, sheol, hades, otherwise known as mankind's common grave. (Acts 24:15)
However, those who have been counted 'wicked' will not be resurrected ever. The Greek word used for the lake of fire is Gehenna which is figurative speech for everlasting death.
“Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment [damnation—KJV]” (Jn. 5:28-29).
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:7-8
Which is his body, the fulness of him that "filleth all in all". Eph 1:23
Space and time are creation concepts that reflect the finite/limited nature of God's creation but God is eternal meaning He dwells beyond the bounds/limits of space, time and mind which further means that God exists in a sphere of no time & no space Moses tells us in Psalm 90:2 "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. God preexists time and space. He had been God before there was time and space so in space and time terms, He cannot be bound to one single place because He is beyond what we refer to as time and space because He is eternal. But in eternal terms, since He is before all things and fills all things, ..
... He is in "one place" meaning everything we refer to as space and time are all concepts that are contained within the one God which is why Acts 17:28 tells us "For in him we live, and move, and have our being.." We (the whole universe) exists within the one God. We live and move and have our being withinGod which is why David realized the futility of running from God because God is everywhere and in every place the same time.
which is why He can see all that happens everywhere at once: "The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good Prov 15:3
God is also beyond mind meaning God is beyond our perception of who he is. God is always greater than whatever we "think" we know of Him because mind/perception is also a limiting creation principle that makes us to perceive God based on our "own" way of reasoning. So in order to know God, we must come out of the logical (restricting) box of our ...
...own minds because God is greater our limited way of reasoning (Isa 55:9)
Logic cannot truly comprehend the timeless and eternal state of God, as any thought is automatically a negation of the actuality because "our" thoughts are programmed to see things from a space, time and mind perspective.
Creation ushered in time and space (i.e time "began" i.e in the beginning when the timeless God "decided to" create) and time cannot exist without space & vice versa i.e It
always" takes time to cover any space eg it takes time to travel from Los Angeles to san francisco. But In God, time and space cannot be be viewed as fundamentals because in God, it takes God no time to travel from New York City to Perth in Australia or from Mars to Pluto because He is everywhere at once.
He is with me "right now" and at all times. He is with you "right now" and at all times and He is everywhere in the universe right now and "at all times." Unlike man that needs to move from one place to the other in order to traverse the world/ universe, God doesn't need to move an inch because He is everywhere at once right now and forever.
Time suggests that 2 oclock is different from 3 oclock. It also suggests that it is possible to be in 2 different places at 2 oclock and 3 oclock but in God, those laws dont apply. Everything is the same. 2 oclock is 3 oclock is 4 oclock and is 5 oclock and which is why God is in all time zones at once .In God's reality the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously which explains why God tells us that He "declares the end from the beginning..
BERRINTON - Well declared! Due to former resistance to reason by Bro Rando, I declined to respond to his Question, fearing it would merely spark yet another futile exchange of beliefs. But I had to reply to your ANSWER in support of your efforts to bring LIGHT to such discussions. Peace!
MJ I am a witness to brorando's resistance so I "perfectly" understand & respect your decision not to respond. The Bible tells us to avoid vain babblings for they increase unto more ungodliness so there is no point trying to beat a dead horse. Like Acts 13:48 tells us " As many as were appointed to eternal life believed." In every crowd there will always be those that believe and those that dont. There will always be the jannes and jambres that resist Moses but as it was in the days
BERRINTON & DEN14 - I appreciate & agree with you both. NONE of us is yet perfect (or even good for that matter). Apart from Christ in me, I can do nothing (but sin). Continue to post as you do for the sake of those who may respond favorably that they may not perish but have everlasting life through Jesus Christ. Peace!
The road to Christ is serious study of the Holy Bible! God's eyes are everywhere and He knows all things. Nothing is hid from Him! He is all powerful. Give Him Praise and Glory. And always be thankful and grateful for His Blessings. There is non like Him! Try your best to be as much like Jesus as possible!
We humans are timed, but God is not timed. A day to God is as a thousand years and a thousand is as a day! And yes we can do nothing without God Jesus who died on the tree for our sins! Praise God Almighty!!! He deserves our praises!!!