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RighteousDestiny

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Cultist or Christian?

What makes someone a genuine Christian?

Judge or truth teller?
I have a friend who said they were a Christian but, after talking to them, I "noticed" that they were stuck in perpetual sin. Caring for this person, I called them out on their sin. Warning them that they were walking a dangerous path and playing with fire.

To which they replied, "I worry that you're too judgy". Why do those in darkness hate to be exposed to the light (truth)? And why do they downplay their sin and HATE me (never wanting to talk to me again) for simply pointing it out? Is this simply fulfilling what is written in Matthew 10:22?

I thought we were meant to take up our cross daily and follow Jesus Christ? Luke 9:23.

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Ramus


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“Judge not, lest you be judged” is probably one of the most misinterpreted Bible passages. It does not mean that a Christian should not judge, but that we will all be judged by the same measure that we use. This passage in Matthew is not forbidding judgment but hypocrisy. Of course a habitual sinner will use the misconception as an excuse for their behavior.

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye." - The full quote makes it clear that Jesus is talking about hypocrisy. In the last line he teaches how to judge corr
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Bakecaincontri


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Christian the o Lu True religione out there muslims are ALL terorist
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mmerlinn 1 year 1 month ago

Bullcrap. There are Muslim terrorists AND there are "Christian" terrorists, but NOT all
Muslims are terrorists just like NOT all "Christians" are terrorists.

That would be like saying "All Italians are mafiosi."


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Interela


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The word Christian is a follower of Christ. Before making a decision, do you think of it; what would Jesus do in this situation?
A Christian should think about his life and behavior, so that he can give witness in his life and not in words.
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criopax


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I believe that we are all sinners, unfortunately. However, to be a good Christian, for me, means to be a good person no matter what. I believe that we should always do our best not to make injustices and treat others (animals and humans) with respect and consideration.
I also believe that you are a good person.
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The opinions of people do not determine who a genuine Christian is that finally is up to God
When it comes to using the name Christian it was coined by man and is just a nickname from those who were not of the faith. But it became accepted in the Word of God. We become real Christians went we have truly repented of our sins and when we truly love God and our nieghbours as ourselves. Nobody will enter the Kingdom of God who does not love God
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mmerlinn


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A genuine Christian is one who lives up to the name "Christian" and strictly adheres to the Christian values promulgated by the Christian namesake, towit, JESUS CHRIST.

ANYTHING else is heathenism per Christ's own teaching.
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BERRINTON


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We are genuine Christian when we reject the self with all its confidence, knowledge and ways including the larger world and its all ways (i.e the old man) and put on (appropriate) Christ the savior (the new man). "Christ"ians= those that put off self and put on Christ (Rom 13:14)

Christians are not called to run away from the world but to overcome it and expose it for what it is like Jesus did (John 16:33, John 15:24, John 3:20). The natural man lives in two extremes. On one extreme, we find the worldly natural man who is "wholly" given to to worldly pleasures and delights. On the the other extreme, we find the religious natural man who is wholly given to "self" righteousness, formation of good habits, isolation from the world (living in purdahs and monasteries) and neglecting the body and its lusts. What then is the difference between Christians and the worldly man? The difference between the Church and the world is its attitude towards eating and drinking....
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BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

The world is wholeheartedly given to eating and drinking but the church eats and drinks to
survive in the world and keep doing God's will in it and by so doing, eventually exposes
it and overcomes it. She realizes that she is not of the world but is a citizen of
another country and therefore, she is not wholly given to its pleasures. She realizes
that she has to live in the world and eventually overcome it and in order to live in the
world and affect it she has to use its goods so she, ....

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

..like her Master Jesus eats and drinks and mingles with sinners for that is her task: To
preach the gospel that exposes sin for what it is and saves sinners (Luke 7:34). The
world could be likened to a doomed institution that is certain to collapse in 3 months due
to a financial problem. It would be foolish for anyone who worked with such an institution
to build his long term hopes on it. As the employee works there, he should have it at the
back of his mind that it would soon collapse and

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

...therefore, should not put his hopes in it. He should look "elsewhere" (Heb 11:15) for
a more enduring and assured job to build his hopes on.
What is the difference between the Church and the religious man? The Church unlike the
religious man is wholly given to "Jesus" (not the self) and therefore she realizes
realizes that like the diver in the ocean, when she is in the world, she is not in her
natural environment and needs equipment (His Holy spirit) to survive in it.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

he realizes that she doesn't have any ability in herself to be good. She realizes that
running away from the world is not the solution to the problem because even the isolation
that she runs to is run by her foe, her old self. She realizes that Christianity goes
deeper than forming good habits and living in purdahs. It involves appropriating Christ
were she used to appropriate self. So based on all Ive written, the answer to your
question :"Why do those in darkness hate ..

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

..to be exposed to the light (truth)? is darkness wants to be right and correct. Light
exposes darkness or the old self for what it is: an empty sham. The exposure bruises the
ego of darkness and darkness always responds with violence and hatred because it hates to
be exposed for what it is.

ThomatOurStore 1 year 2 months ago

Christianity is not a faith, a religion, an ideology or a cult. It is simply a community
of people who have decided to live their lives as Jesus would have done, during these
times. We worship God as He taught us, sustain our souls sacramentally and build a
stronger and greater relationship, with Him, every day.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

You have a point but in a broader sense, the word Christianity encompasses more than just
a community of people. Christians are the body of Christ "worldwide" and Christians do not
merely decide to live their lives as Jesus would have done because they realize that they
do "not" have the ability in themselves to do so. They are those who have accepted the
power from Christ to live the life of Christ at all times .

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

And we do "not" have the ability to sustain our souls sacramentally because the works of
our hands are cursed (Gen 3:17, Gal 3:10). Our souls are sustained by Christ, in the exact
way that the car is sustained by the battery. No battery, (i.e power) and the car would be
unable to function.

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

Having been raised Catholic & a graduate of their parochial schools, on track to enter
their priesthood, I discovered (as Luther did centuries before) that their rituals &
sacramental observances are extra-biblical – NON_SCRIPTURAL. Their dogma presents the
‘Eucharist’ as the transubstantiated Body of Christ. Accordingly, one receives Christ
by consuming the host (Holy Communion). This physical ritual is contrary to the
spirituality that Scripture declares as the ‘born again’ experienc

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

Catholic doctrine refers to the sacramental ritual at the ’Consecration of the Host’
during the Mass to be an actual transformation of the physical wafer & wine into the
actual body & blood of Jesus Christ. When such sacraments are observed as meaningful
representations of memorialized events (such as the ‘Last Supper') they may inspire
deeper spiritual meditation. However, to profess as Catholics do, the literal
transformation of the elements as means for accessing the presence of Christ,

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

the contradiction is obvious. Scripture declares our access to a perpetual right
relationship & true communion with Christ is via the indwelling of His Holy Spirit –
EXCLUSIVELY. Sacraments are to be observed ONLY as symbolic memorials NOT conduits to
sanctification or greater spirituality.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

Exactly. The laws & rituals etc which were given by God to Moses in the Old testament are
representations of hidden truths or as Col 2:17 puts it, they are shadows of things to
come (things to come when Christ the substance projecting the shadow is unveiled in the
heart) and as shadows, they have no substance in themselves meaning they are
representative of something else. They of themselves are valueless, except in regard to
their symbolic meaning as symbols signs, and images

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

They are simply representations of spiritual truths which the Israelites (and all carnal
people) were unable to grasp and as symbols or shadows, they are not intended to be
grasped in their exact form (taken literally) but in their symbolic form meaning we have
to change our carnal ways of thinking (being born again of Christ) such that we let go of
our grip on the symbols (die to self) and then we will then come to understand what the
symbols, signs, and forms represent.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

But unfortunately, the carnal man is prone to mistake forms for what is important and
spiritual and thereby misses the substance that the shadow is trying to draw their
attention to
Like Gal 3:24 tells us, the law (shadow) serves as our "schoolmaster" to bring us to
Christ. The shadows,laws, rituals etc are intended to strike a chord in your soul. They
are intended to alert you of the presence of the substance projecting them so that you can
seek Him and that substance is Jesus Christ.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

So we must see through them to the substance or else, we would become stuck in Idolatry
like the israelites were when they burnt incense to the bronze serpent that once served as
a "symbol" of their ancestors deliverance from the snake bites (Num 21:4-9) The fiery
bronze serpent on the pole wasn't the power behind their deliverance. It was a mere symbol
of Christ who took on our image of sin (i.e it wasn't a real serpent it was "made" in the
image of a serpent Christ isnt a sinner, He was ...

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

..made in the image of our sin) and after His resurrection and ascension (lifting up)
those that look to Him to save their souls will live.

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

RE: “the law (shadow) serves as our "schoolmaster" to bring us to Christ”. As a
pastor/theologian this is the MOST unfortunately neglected instruction of Paul. The
ancient employment of a ‘schoolmaster’ had a VERY SPECIFIC duty. The SOLE
responsibility of a ‘schoolmaster’ was to deliver students to the teacher. Their ONLY
function was similar to a modern day school bus driver. Once delivered to the teacher,
their job was done. THAT is the significance so widely overlooked & disregard

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

by those who follow ritual & sacramental practices. The SOLE purpose of symbols/shadows
is to lead/deliver us to Christ. Once we are in Christ, there is no further need for
perpetuating any symbolism. That is sacrilegious, glorifying the symbols over the Savior.
Case in point – the Catholic Mass is actually (in their dogma) a sacrificing of Christ,
again & again – each time a Mass is ‘offered’. They substitute the 'consecrated
host' for the Holy Spirit as a means of 'receiving Christ'.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

God only is the judge on these matters there will be many who have rejected others as
heretics who by their own legalism will barely enter the Kingdom of God because they have
on their own righteousness and not the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. God looks
upon a persons heart to see if they really love Him.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

God who is the judge in "these matters" has already made His judgment on them known to us
: The law is the knowledge of sin and He that is under the law is under a curse (Gal
3:10), and therefore, it is up to us to accept or reject His judgment. . Paul tells us in
Heb 10:26-27 :"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the
truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,But a certain fearful looking for of
judgment.."...

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

...and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:26-27.
God tells us to contend for the faith and to reject heretics after 1st and 2nd admonition
(Tit 3:10)and God who looks at the heart has told us what He is looking for in the heart:
Submission to His Spirit so we mustn't use worn out excuses to justify our disobedience.
We must not sacrifice the truth on the altar of excuses and fellowship

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

Finally, God does not force people to become Christians. We are free to live out our lives
the way we like (with consequences Ecc 11:9, Gen 2:17) But if we of our "own" freewill
"choose" to become Christians, then we "must " obey and promote (preach) obedience to His
commandments and standards. (Luke 6:46,1 John 5:3)

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

If you work for a company, you "must" abide by the laws of the company. If you live under
your parents, you must abide by their rules and regulations . If you live in the world,
you must abide by the rules of the world e.g you must pay your taxes or face a penalty
and if you live for God you "must" abide by His rules and are His slave (Rom 6:18)

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

I will end by agreeing with your statement "...heretics who by their own legalism will
barely enter the God because they have on their own righteousness and not the
righteousness of God in Jesus Christ." You are correct. It is the righteousness of Christ
that admits one into the Kingdom of God but the righteousness of Christ entails doing the
works of Christ and producing the fruit of Christ so God looks at the heart true but God
expects what is in the heart to reflect outward.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

It is quite clear that God does not expect that which is in the heart to reflect out so
that people see it and accept it,it is known to God. Mostly people will reject it and even
reject those who'm God chooses.
Samuel would have known who to choose if it was that simple, but he did not. God had to
reveal it to him. So let us be careful of our judgments. Too many people have different
views on what the fruit of the Holy Spirit is. They then judge us according to their own
views.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

The word heretic really means to be of a different opinion, so even Paul the apostle was
seen as a heretic. Jesus Christ died as a heretic in the eyes of the Jewish leaders. So if
that which is in our heart does reflect out it often can get us rejected and not accepted
even by well meaning Christians. Therefore doing the works of Christ can mean entirely
different things to other people

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

Again I say the name Christian is a nickname for those who claim to follow Christ. It
became accepted in the Bible, but saints was used more. We are to be in the world but not
to be of it. God in the end does the judging of all of us. So we are to be careful of what
we judge in the now least we ourselves get judged. Jesus Christ died for all out of Love,
but not all love Jesus Christ. If we do not love Him we will not be there.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

MR Arkebiz, Jesus tells us by their fruits (not their hearts) you shall know them. He also
tells us that out of the abundance of the "heart" that the mouth speaks so are you trying
to tell us that you are smarter than Jesus when you write "It is quite clear that God does
not expect that which is in the heart to reflect out"? What is in the heart reflects out
and it is its reflection that attracts persecution. You write " Mostly people will reject
it and even reject those who'm God chooses.."

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

... but the question remains why do the reject those that God chooses? They reject them
because their actions (their outward nature) reflects their hearts (their inner nature)
and their actions expose the emptiness of their persecutors hence the persecution. Even
Jesus Himself boldly asked the Jews which of you convicts me of sin (John 8:46) ? His
inner deity was reflected in His outer actions. He didn't go about sinning and living in
error and saying God knows my heart. His actions ( fruits)

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

..reflected His heart and divine nature (His deity) Besides, I never wrote anything about
" people who are seen as heretics (human perception) I quoted where Paul wrote about
heretics (actual heretics) so I wonder why you are telling me things that I already know.
I am talking about heretics from God's standard. Heretics who reject God's Word. Paul (not
me) writes about them and tells us to reject the after 1st and 2nd admonition.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

You speak of God in judging in the end(the future) but like the Jews in Jesus time who
failed to recognize the present Jesus but were looking for a future one, you fail to
understand that God has already and is already judging right now. The Bible tells us in
Rom 1:18 :"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and
unrighteousness of men, .." It didn't say the wrath of God is going to be revealed it said
it "is" revealed (present tense) God had judged those ...

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

...under the law in Paul's time as under a curse and His judgment still remains valid
today and forever so stop overlooking scripture by postponing a delivered judgment to a
future date when it has already happened with the resurrection and ascension of Christ.
Besides have you read 1 cor 6:2? "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? ?
And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters ?
The saints will judge the world but not only that..

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

..matters of faith. 1 cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more
things that pertain to this life?. Did you see that? The saints shall "judge" matters of
"this" life. So yes it is Biblical to judge IN THIS LIFE. The only thing is you have to
pull out the mote in your eyes 1st so you can see clearly to pull out the one in your
brothers eyes i.e make matured and informed judgments (2 cor 10:6)
Finally, nickname or not a christian denotes a follower of Christ. It is a ...

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

.."WORD" that we use to "DESCRIBE" someone that follows Christ but like all words, it (as
a mere word) is insufficient to encompass all that it spiritually denotes. To be a
Christian, you must have the "inner" experience of being reborn of Christ and your inner
experience or rebirth must be reflected in your actions. By their fruits you shall know
them.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

The word Christian does not describe these days someone who follows Christ. Words
constantly change meaning. So there is no point in harping on it. I already knew that you
would bring up the angels. You should know by now that there is little space to bring up
everything, So what I said remains as it was.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

You become engaged in what is fruitless arguments of no real value.The caution I give
remains to stop judging people, when that belongs to God. It becomes a game of just
putting people down. And that becomes legalism.

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

A777 – You would do well as you advise NOT to judge BERRINTON foolishly thinking you
know what he has communicated. Clearly, you miss the point that what God has revealed in
His written Word is available to those who believe, You shall know the TRUTH; the TRUTH
shall set you free. But to mistakenly think that as terms change, so does His Word change,
is dead wrong. The Holy Spirit NEVER changes & he who has the Spirit has the perpetually
communicated TRUTH.

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

If you speak in worldly terms, then ‘Christian’ can refer to many things. But those
who truly follow Christ & are filled with His Spirit are what the Bible refers to in Ac.
11:26 as Christians.. Be careful not to become one who WILL NOT endure sound doctrine
2Yom.4:3. To teach the TRUTH in correction is NOT judgment, it is COMPASSION for another
less educated in spiritual matters. Peace!

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

NOTE: 2Yom.4:3 =2Tim.4:3 please forgive the typo.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

If you get confused about what is said we must understand that all words we speak and use
are human made including the word Christian. So if the world deems to count all the
different types of churches etc as Christians then that is the world's choice. The
question is am I a Child of God and truly born again and all that goes with it. But we
must not deem that the world see's it that way. There are Christians who will end up in
the Lake of Fire. there are churches who'es candle stick will be los

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

The candle stick or lamp stand removed just like los lost it's t.
So let us be true saints of God and not just Christians, who come in all types. I am not
here to judge those who call themselves Christians but as yet are not a Child of God. My
job is to lead them into the light of Salvation. That is why people struggle over what a
Christian should be. So some will say that they are a true Christian, another a real
Christian. This shows that saying Christian is not good enough.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

@arkebiz777 I guess you are more interested in arguing, defending your NON existent points
and emphasizing man made opinions than you are in facing facts. Man may change but God
doesn't change. The Bible tells us in Acts 11:26 that the followers of Christ were 1st
called Christians at Antioch. Christians follow Bible standard. They do not follow the
world's standard. Lets "assume" that your argument that the word christian does not denote
a follower of Christ these days is true.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

How does that affect the fact that that is the way that the word of God referred to them?
Going by your silly argument, I could claim that marriage is no longer defined as btw a
man and a woman these days and therefore, it is wrong to emphasize the Bibles view that it
is. As a Christian, you are called to be apart from the world (Rom 12:1-2) not to be
conformed to it. You are called to set it alight with the light of Christ not to harp its
darkness.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

Words may change meaning but God does not and will never change. Besides, I think I was
pretty clear that the word christian is a WORD" that we use to "DESCRIBE" someone that
follows Christ but like all words, it (as a mere word) is insufficient to encompass all
that it spiritually denotes. A word is a mere description but the reality of the word is
the the thing that imparts meaning. Take the word Jesus. It is a mere word that is used to
describe a spiritual reality that saves. Taking as...

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

itself, it lacks any power and is valueless but realizing the person it describes is where
power comes from.Excuses are the nails that are used to build a house of failure. Stop
using the excuse of space constraints as a means of avoiding the obvious truth. We are to
judge the world This is scripture. Besides, I didn't just write about angels You
intentionally overlooked the other verses and I guess we both know why. The Judgment of
God is right now. 1 Pet 4:17 tells us:...

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

.." For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: ..." The time "has
come" not the time is coming. So God has pronounced His judgment. It is up to you to
accept it or reject it. Finally, you may or may not realize it but you are an epitome of
the hypocrisy of the pharisees. You write: "The caution I give remains to stop judging
people, when that belongs to God. It becomes a game of just putting people down. And that
becomes legalism. " You who claims people shouldnt ....

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

judge is judging so you see, you are clearly a bunch of contradictions.

BERRINTON 1 year 2 months ago

Mj, As always thanks for your elderly, scriptural and candid perspective. As always, you
are a blessing. Peace.

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

"Behold, how good & pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!" - Psa. 133:1.
"Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father, & the younger men as brethren" - 1tim.
5:1. "Those members of the body we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater
honor; & our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, but our presentable parts have no
need. God composed the body, giving greater honor to that part which lacks it, that there
should be no schism in the body,

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

so that the members should have the same care for one another." -1Cor. 12:23-25. "For
whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the
patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope." - Ro. 15:4. The Scripture is as
reliable today as when it was 1st written. Nothing of its original message is changed.
Some terminology has, but the central truth remains. You say poh-tot-toe; I say
poh-tate-toh! BOTH 'right' in appropriate circles. Peace!

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

The Scripture is more than reliable it is God ordained. The limitations are it had to be
put in mans words where they constantly change what words mean. But with the Holy Spirit
we can grasp the true meaning.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son
That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life John 3:16

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

MJ, I "completely" agree with you. But what of when you say poh-tot-toe and I say barley?
wouldn't it be appropriate to look into why there is a discrepancy?
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the
same thing,...1 Cor 1:10

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

@arkebiz777 I agree with you. Scripture is not subject to man's interpretation (i.e
literal words) but the revelation/inspiration of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit's
revelation is timeless and is therefore unchangeable.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

The Holy Spirit's verdict on the law is sealed and settled so we mustn't be like Balaam
the son of Bosor who wanted to change God's verdict to suit His own selfish interests. God
will "never "be reconciled to us. It is we who are reconciled to God so it is we who are
to submit ourselves to His way.

MJThompson 1 year 1 month ago

BERRINTON - Agreed, if terminology varies by mere degrees (red, scarlet, crimson) = no
problem, its likely just symantics. But when 'red' is introduced as 'blue', or even worse,
no color at all - we have the makings of false doctrine, damnable heresy, and willful
deception. Peace!

MJThompson 1 year 1 month ago

arkebiz777 - One clarification = ONLY "with the Holy Spirit we can grasp the true
meaning". Peace!

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

And so i must not waste further time here my job is done I must get on with getting the
Gospel out

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

As I am not allowed to go then let us stop using the Bible like a baseball bat to crush
people with. Jesus wants us to go into the highways and byways to compel people to come
in. He never said for us to try to bash them in. So let us all repent of our wrong
attitudes and start doing what Jesus said we are to do.

mmerlinn 1 year 1 month ago

"compel"??? I thought Jesus gave us a CHOICE. If so, WHY would He FORCE us if we CHOSE not
to come in?

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

Read the text it uses the word compel. And the way it is said has nothing to do with
forcing anybody. Jesus does not want people in Heaven who were forced there they would not
fit in. So compel means in the context it is used to have a compelling message that makes
those that hear it want to believe, or those that do not to refuse it. That is to give
people the opportunity to be there. Words have to be understood in context.

mmerlinn 1 year 1 month ago

In context when I "compel someone to do something" I am FORCING them to do something. Very
simple. Very clear.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one
proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than
yourselves. Matt 23:15

@arkebiz777 Your lifestyle is your greatest witness to the world but unfortunately, your
hypocritical attitude and double standard don't speak well of you. No one wants to listen
to people who dont do what they say. You are called to be the "Light" and not merely the
verbal preacher of the world.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Rather than going to the highways and streets to in your own words "compel" people to come
in, Jesus wants you to practice what you preach and contend for the truth for that is your
greatest witness to the world. Why do you call Him Lord, Lord and do not what He say?
Luke 6:46

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

@mmerlinn Excellent observation.
Compel:force or oblige (someone) to do something.
bring about (something) by the use of force or pressure.

compel meaning: 1. to force someone to do something: 2. to produce a strong feeling or
reaction: 3. to force someone to do something: . Source
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/compel

But of course, mr arkebiz will always find a lame excuse instead of admitting that He is
totally wrong.

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

This is where you are wrong again the English dictionary is not my Bible it is The Word of
God that is my Bible. The English Dictionary can get it quite wrong especially as words
are subject to change all the time. For instance the Australian English Dictionary varies
from the English one. The context in which words are used is very important to understand
the true meaning.

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

So if somebody gives a compelling speech it does not mean they forced anybody to do
anything. It means they gave such a speech that people of their own volition agreed with
it.
So cease your legalism and start to believe God and His Word and act on it.
We should also note again the American English Dictionary varies again from the others.

mmerlinn 1 year 1 month ago

Somewhere in the Bible there is something about those who twist the Scriptures to their
own ends and what will eventually happen to them. I have no clue where, nor am I going to
waste time looking since you will never believe what is PLAINLY written.

So, keep twisting the Scriptures until you land in the lake of fire.

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

What you have not taken into account is that they had to be translated into English to
start with. The Scriptures were not given in English. Then words keep changing there
meaning in English. So yes the Scriptures were written in plain languages and ready to be
understood. But today we have to translate into multiple languages and seek to give there
true meaning, and face the reality that words change in meaning. So wake up all of you to
reality.

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

It is the context of what is written that gives us the true meaning of the words written.
A person does not get into the Lake of Fire by getting the meaning wrong. They get into
Heaven through confessing their sin and truly accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior.
Those that twist the Scriptures are those who take them out of context for their own
selfish reasons.


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Many consider Christianity to be a religion, an ideology, or a philosophy. Some relate it to a national identity, where a majority of citizens subscribes to its moral ethics. Theologians widely agree that Christ’s intent was to model a right relationship with God, revealing grace, & unconditional love. Christ’s main contention with religious leaders is their hypocrisy. “Woe to you, scribes & Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land & sea to win one proselyte, & when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves” – Mt. 23:15. “What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, & lose his own soul?” – Mt. 8:36. Introduction to religion or moral correctness that results in an approved behavior merely establishes self-righteousness. True Christianity accepts & celebrates Christ’s Righteousness EXCLUSIVELY, which has been appropriated to them by virtue of His sacrificial death. Spiritual birth (being 'born again') makes one a Christian.
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MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

Furthermore, we must be careful in assuming any sin evidenced by mere behavior. The
original disciples of Christ were warned against such evaluations. “Jesus said unto him,
Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us” – Lk. 9:50. For a deeper look
into this subject, I suggest a prayerful reading of this Article posted to my blog @
mjthompsons.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/salvation-obedience-works-vs-faith-grace/

MJThompson 1 year 2 months ago

Jesus taught His followers to become 'fishers of men'. He 'catches' His 'fish' and
afterwards 'cleans' them. Christian are NOT yet perfect. We are ALL in the life-long
process of being 'Cleaned'. Fault finding is merely veiled bigotry. "Moreover if a brother
shall trespass against you, go & tell him his fault between you & him alone: if he shall
hear you, you have gained your brother." - Mt. 18:15. Pray, allow God to be God.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

Fault finding is usually based upon setting up our own way of righteousness. But we must
speak the truth in love with the purpose of lifting the person up to God. Not desiring
that they may perish.

RighteousDestiny 1 year 2 months ago

Sorry MJ, but your reply was so far out of context to what transpired. The intervention
was necessary as I believe it "threatened their life".
Some sins have serious consequences and can negatively impact the future of that
individual through bad decisions.

Not once did I EVER state we are saved by works or our OWN righteousness. You're putting
words in my mouth and I don't appreciate it.

arkebiz777 1 year 2 months ago

Our Salvation is meant to be to good works, having been saved from dead works. We do not
attain our salvation through good works. Only Jesus Christ can save us. But then we should
abound in good works having been set free.

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

(comptu) We now see a sensible answer in what you say. That is why I said that we need to
be careful of judging others. Noting that Jesus warned us that with what judgement we
judge we shall be judged. That is why I quoted John 3:16.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

@RighteousDestiny, Im not MJ but after reading His reply, I do not "think" that He was
referring to you directly. He was only making a general statement so try not to take His
answer personally. It "appears" (from my own perspective) that He was writing in
general terms and not referring specifically to you and He is right. Righteousness goes
beyond mere behavior. It is an attribute of Christ which is why Jesus is called the Lord
"our" righteousness (Jer 23:6)

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Mr arkebiz, God has standards and we do well to uphold those standards. You cant God and
do "your" own thing. Paul tells us in Gal 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
accursed. Did you see that? Anyone who preaches another gospel than the one Paul preached
should be accursed. Paul also tells us in 2 Tim 4:2 :"Preach the word; be instant in
season, out of season; reprove,..

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. Did you see that? We are to reprove
and rebuke. God is not a respecter of persons and their egos neither are those who are
born of His Spirit. They say it as it is. They uphold and promote His unchanging
standards. Besides you are also judging when you write "Fault finding is usually based
upon setting up our own way of righteousness. Why do what you ask others not to do? Why
say and do not what you say? (Matt 23:2-3)

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Correction: I meant You cant follow God and do your thing... and not You cant God and do
your thing.....

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

So do not find it strange if you get rebuked as well, because nobody but Jesus did it
perfectly and He suffered at the hands of those who rebuked Him. So if you are seen as
going off track there will be those who will rebuke you for it. We all get rebuked and
totally misquoted on what we say. The focus must be on getting the Gospel out unto the
ends of the earth, that is our primary task. The fact is that what you were saying is
more true than your correction. We do and you do our thing and we

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

still hold to the fact that we are followers of God.
So wake up to the fact that you do do your own thing. We are all learners in this life
subject to doing it wrong on many occasions. You have been of track and you have been told
so. I get told so if I get off track. So do the right thing and be repentant for it. We
are not to judge others in such a way as to condemn them, we are instead to lift them up
to prayer to God.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Mr Arkebiz, True Christians do not find it strange when people rebuke them if the rebuke
is "warranted" because unlike you, they are not megalomaniacs. The Bible tells us that God
resists the proud but gives grace to the "lowly". Those that are down need fear no fall.
It is those that are 'high' in their estimation that have insecurities about people
falling them. You must put your self low if you want to follow God because God wants to be
sovereign (High) over your life.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Jesus called His disciples fools and blind (Matt 23:17). Paul (an apostle) called the
Galatians foolish (Gal 3:1). He even called Elymas a child of the devil and an enemy of
righteousness (Acts 13:10) and unlike you the ego freak, they didn't go around whining and
complaining and offering excuses. You claim "The focus must be on getting the Gospel out
unto the ends of the earth, that is our primary task."..but the question remains which
gospel are you talking about? The gospel of lies...

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

and compromise? or the gospel of the uncompromising and bitter truth that sets souls free?
Isa 30:10 tells us of the kind of gospel that the rebellious children love :"Which say to
the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us
smooth things, prophesy deceits: Isa 30:10. Do you want a gospel that tells people what
they want to hear or a gospel that exposes the lies and errors in mens heart. Jesus was
very uncompromising about the truth. He never put ..

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

..truth over brotherhood and fellowship. In fact, it was Jesus who told us that many are
called but few are chosen. Jesus tells told the rebellious jews ye shall seek me and ye
shall die in your sins and where I am you cant come (John 8:21) He didn't go around
sugarcoating and flattering men's egos. We must not put people over truth.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Finally, your previous statements about judgment and your 'rebukes' to me expose your
double standard and hypocrisy. Based on your argument about judgment, You have "no" right
to tell me what to do because we are not to judge. Practice what you preach for once and
stop being a hypocrite.

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Correction: I meant Jesus called the pharisees fools and blind. Besides, He called His
"own" disciples fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken
(Luke 24:25)

BERRINTON 1 year 1 month ago

Preaching goes beyond quoting the Bible and emphasizing Biblical principles. It involves
how you live your life. James tells us to be doers of the Word and not merely hearers
deceiving "ourselves". You claim you get the gospel out and you tell others not to judge
but your attitude here shows that you are the epitome of judging others. Your practice
contradicts your profession and I have to be honest, it reflects blatant hypocrisy. No one
wants to listen to hypocrites who don't do what they say

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

Then stop being deceived by yourself and start to live in Christ. Start to believe the
Word and start acting on it. You are not showing it to us. You are just showing Neo
Legalism that it all. Then stop being a hypocrite yourself pretending how good you are.
When in reality you are no different than us. We are of ourselves nothing we only become
somebody in Christ Jesus. Do works of faith and not works of the flesh, and in so doing
deceiving yourself. Let Mr Nobody here actually help you

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

So do not worship the English Dictionary or any other such Dictionary they are all
fallible. So do not bow to the gods that were used to make them. The Dictionaries are but
useful tools and are themselves subject to the people and their usage of words. Jesus
Himself informed us that we are gods. But it is quite clear that we are not God. So let us
be subject to The Word of God and not Dictionaries etc etc etc.

arkebiz777 1 year 1 month ago

So do not use foolish statements that really have no purposeful meaning before God. For we
are to preach the Gospel to the ends of the earth. That and that alone is how we are to
compel people to come into the Kingdom of God. Still it is a choice to those that hear,
they either believe or they do not believe. So the use of compel has nothing to do with
taking swords and spears or guns and making people obey. For even that does not change
people to believe in their hearts even if by force.


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Hello friend, I was drawn to your questions and so decided to pop in for a moment. Always open it up with prayer first. A person may see inconsistencies in our behavior but not know how to broach the subject while they are discovering their own issues. Then, to be called out on a sinful behavior while they may see something in us? Well, Mat 7:3-5 comes to mind. My experience has taught me that you always begin with the truth statement, "I love you." You then focus on the right behavior in circumstances and not so much on the warnings. Warnings have a history of failure in causing people to change their ways all throughout the Bible and are typically linked to a judgment. However, truth in love which focuses on the right behavior because you love them and want what is best for them because God wants what is best for His children, is truly the key. All you do is point to the way out of sinful behavior that God has already faithfully provided, 1 Cor 10:13. Simply help 'm back to the path.
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The Pharisees accused Jesus of disobeying the Sabbath because they were in the flesh, living by their own standards, and pretending to be what they are not. They were self righteous and did not repent of their own sins and evil hearts. The standard of God is perfect love and we all fall short. That is why we need the forgiveness that comes through Jesus. People don't want to repent so they create their own religious works and standards. That is a cult. People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. Love is the greatest. Does your life show that you have been changed by God's love?
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